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Johnny Ringo Fri Dec 26, 2008 05:37pm

Fumble?
 
Fumble is judgement, correct?

A1 is dribbling and goes to make a one-handed bounce pass off the dribble to A2 ... just as A1 goes to release he sees A2 is being defended and attempts to pull back, however ball floats ahead where A1 takes a couple of steps and grabs the ball.

Do you have anything here?

My thought was he was attempting a pass, but after thinking it over it could have been a fumble.

Thoughts?

Ch1town Fri Dec 26, 2008 05:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 561853)
Fumble is judgement, correct?

A1 is dribbling and goes to make a one-handed bounce pass off the dribble to A2 ... just as A1 goes to release he sees A2 is being defended and attempts to pull back, however ball floats ahead where A1 takes a couple of steps and grabs the ball.

Do you have anything here?

My thought was he was attempting a pass, but after thinking it over it could have been a fumble.

Thoughts?

I believe even if it was a pass, it can be retrieved. As long as the player doesn't start a new dribble, it sounds legal.

jevaque Fri Dec 26, 2008 05:51pm

it is ur judgement, but if he still had his dribble before the pass or fumble you can retrieve it. If you judgment says it was a pass and he got it then no dribble can be made. If u thought it was a fumble than he can still dribble. remember you can fumble , dribble, fumble, but u cant dribble fumble, dribble.

a pass could be the start of a dribble if its a legit pass and he still has a dribble.

if he didnt have his dribble before the pass than he can get it if its thought to be a fumble, but cant get it if u think its a pass..

Mark Padgett Fri Dec 26, 2008 06:15pm

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Originally Posted by jevaque (Post 561856)
It is your judgement, but if he still had his dribble before the pass or fumble you can retrieve it. If your judgment says it was a pass and he got it then no dribble can be made. If you thought it was a fumble than he can still dribble. Remember you can fumble , dribble, fumble, but you cant dribble, fumble, dribble.

A pass could be the start of a dribble if its a legit pass and he still has a dribble.

If he didnt have his dribble before the pass than he can get it if it's thought to be a fumble, but cant get it if you think its a pass..

Fixed it for you. :)

jevaque Fri Dec 26, 2008 06:27pm

thanks mark:)

Johnny Ringo Fri Dec 26, 2008 07:08pm

That's the key ... he can't get it if the officials judges it to be a pass - only if it was a fumble.

If he does get it and the official judges it to be a pass - what is the violation called?

mbyron Fri Dec 26, 2008 07:19pm

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Originally Posted by jevaque (Post 561860)
thanks mark:)

That's his way of letting you know that text message format is not popular/accepted here. FYI.

AKOFL Fri Dec 26, 2008 07:32pm

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 561867)
That's his way of letting you know that text message format is not popular/accepted here. FYI.

What in the heck is FYI then?

BillyMac Fri Dec 26, 2008 07:52pm

Cheap Keyboards ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 561867)
That's his way of letting you know that text message format is not popular/accepted here. FYI.

It's not the poster's fault. He probably has the same problem with his keyboard that my daughter, and my son's best friend, have. The shift key is broken. Whenever I get an email from them, the proper nouns, and the beginning of sentences, never have a capital letter. How much do you want to bet that all three have the same brand, and model, keyboard?

BillyMac Fri Dec 26, 2008 08:02pm

"You Say Potatoe, I Say Potato" ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 561870)
What in the heck is FYI then?

Wasn't that the name of the fictional television newsmagazine that Murphy Brown (Candice Bergen) hosted back in the late 1980's and into the 1990's?

AKOFL Fri Dec 26, 2008 08:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by billymac (Post 561873)
wasn't that the name of the fictional television newsmagazine that murphy brown (candice bergen) hosted back in the late 1980's and into the 1990's?

IMHO, yes

Freddy Fri Dec 26, 2008 09:07pm

Very Discomforting
 
My keyboard really caused me problems Christmas day. Everytime I tried to type (input) an a, e, i, o, or u, the keyboard would stick and I'd end up with five or six of those letters all strung together. I took my keyboard into the local computer tech today, and he diagnosed it as "irritable vowel syndrome." He fixed it.
Sorry. :D

BillyMac Fri Dec 26, 2008 09:12pm

And I Know My Titles ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 561888)
Sorry.

You'd better be. Funny title though.

AKOFL Fri Dec 26, 2008 09:13pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 561888)
My keyboard really caused me problems Christmas day. Everytime I tried to type (input) an a, e, i, o, or u, the keyboard would stick and I'd end up with five or six of those letters all strung together. I took my keyboard into the local computer tech today, and he diagnosed it as "irritable vowel syndrome." He fixed it.
Sorry. :D

never appologise for good slapstick.

BillyMac Fri Dec 26, 2008 09:16pm

How Did You Get Your Keyboard To Type IMHO, Huh ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 561884)
billymac: wasn't that the name of the fictional television newsmagazine that murphy brown (candice bergen) hosted back in the late 1980's and into the 1990's? IMHO, yes

Cute.

Adam Fri Dec 26, 2008 09:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 561867)
That's his way of letting you know that text message format is not popular/accepted by some of the more anal members here. FYI.

Fixed it for you.

Nevadaref Fri Dec 26, 2008 10:55pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 561864)
That's the key ... he can't get it if the officials judges it to be a pass - only if it was a fumble.

If he does get it and the official judges it to be a pass - what is the violation called?

Double/illegal dribble. 7.1.1 Situation D.

mbyron Sat Dec 27, 2008 09:03am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freddy (Post 561888)
My keyboard really caused me problems Christmas day. Everytime I tried to type (input) an a, e, i, o, or u, the keyboard would stick and I'd end up with five or six of those letters all strung together. I took my keyboard into the local computer tech today, and he diagnosed it as "irritable vowel syndrome." He fixed it.
Sorry. :D

Could also have been any one of the Slavic languages. ;)

BillyMac Sat Dec 27, 2008 03:12pm

For Coaches, And Fanboys, Without Casebooks ...
 
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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 561914)
Double/illegal dribble. 7.1.1 Situation D.

7.1.1 SITUATION D: A1 jumps from inbounds to retrieve an errant pass near a boundary line. A1 catches the ball while in the air and tosses it back to the court. A1 lands out of bounds and (a) is the first to touch the ball after returning inbounds; (b) returns inbounds and immediately dribbles the ball; or (c) picks up the ball after returning to the court and then begins a dribble. RULING: Legal in (a) and (b). Illegal in (c) as the controlled toss of the ball to the court by A1 constitutes the start of a dribble, dribbling a second time after picking up the ball is an illegal dribble violation. (4-15-5; 4-15-6d; 4-35; 9-5)

Johnny Ringo Sat Dec 27, 2008 03:18pm

Returning in bounds: One foot in NFHS and two feet in NCAA ... is this correct?

Nevadaref Sat Dec 27, 2008 04:40pm

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Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 561989)
Returning in bounds: One foot in NFHS and two feet in NCAA ... is this correct?

No.

Johnny Ringo Sun Dec 28, 2008 01:49am

Ok then .... what part was true and what part was false?

JugglingReferee Sun Dec 28, 2008 01:55am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 561952)
Could also have been any one of the Slavic languages. ;)

Hey! I resemble that remark!

mbyron Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:02am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johnny Ringo (Post 562060)
Ok then .... what part was true and what part was false?

Inbounds player: something in and nothing out. Doesn't have to be a foot in either case (in or out).

Adam Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:25am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 562077)
Inbounds player: something in and nothing out. Doesn't have to be a foot in either case (in or out).

And never has to be two feet.

BillyMac Sun Dec 28, 2008 11:38am

One Ponytail Out, Or One Pigtail Out ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 562077)
Inbounds player: something in and nothing out. Doesn't have to be a foot in either case (in or out).

Moderately off topic, but this reminded me of a play I had yesterday. A few girls on the ground, near the endline, going for loose ball. As lead, I'm watching for a foul, a travel, or a held ball, when one of the players grabbing for the ball has her long ponytail brush out of bounds. Easy call. A few parents who were sitting in line with the endline questioned me during a timeout. They had no problem with my explanation that the ponytail is a part of the player's body, and in the case of two pigtails, only one pigtail needs to be out of bounds for the player to be out of bounds.

Nevadaref Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:05pm

2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: A1 recovers a loose ball on the playing court near the sideline, with his/her body entirely in bounds. However, A1's head is hovering out of bounds and his/her hair (which is in a long ponytail) is touching the floor, out of bounds. RULING: A1 is called for the out-of-bounds violation. (7-1-1; 7-1-2; 9-3-1)

BillyMac Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:21pm

That's Amazing ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 562111)
2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

Less than thirty minutes to find an interpretation that's three years old.

Nevadaref Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:23pm

Sorry, I didn't see your post until 9AM PST. :D

BillyMac Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:35pm

Spring Ahead, Fall Back; Or Spring Back, Fall Ahead ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 562120)
Sorry, I didn't see your post until 9AM PST.

So you answered my post before I made it? You're good, but not that good. I guess I'm confused. That cross the International Date Line, ten-second count situation, gives me a headache every time it comes up. Let's see, the Sun comes up in the East, and winds curve to the right in the Northern Hemisphere, and moss grows on the North side of trees, but a rolling stone gathers no moss, and now all of Indiana uses daylight saving time, and there are twenty-nine days in February in a leap year, and ... Forget it.

JugglingReferee Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:35pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 562111)
2005-06 NFHS Basketball Rules Interpretations

SITUATION 9: A1 recovers a loose ball on the playing court near the sideline, with his/her body entirely in bounds. However, A1's head is hovering out of bounds and his/her hair (which is in a long ponytail) is touching the floor, out of bounds. RULING: A1 is called for the out-of-bounds violation. (7-1-1; 7-1-2; 9-3-1)

As a youth, I was once called for 3 seconds because my shoelace was still in the key.

Nevadaref Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:38pm

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 562126)
As a youth, I was once called for 3 seconds because my shoelace was still in the key.

Your coach should have taught you how to properly tie your shoes as John Wooden used to do with his players. :D

BillyMac Sun Dec 28, 2008 12:50pm

That's Why The Wizard Of Westwood's Team Won 88 Consecutive Games ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 562127)
Your coach should have taught you how to properly tie your shoes as John Wooden used to do with his players.

His players tied their shoes two shoes at a time, while every other team in the country had their players tie their shoes one shoe at a time.

Johnny Ringo Sun Dec 28, 2008 05:28pm

Thanks for the clatification - I thought the NCAA rule was different.


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