Interesting backcourt violation
 

Had this happen last night. I think my partner got it right but feel free to chime in.

Situation;

A1 attempts a 3 pont shot. B1 blocks the attempt. The ball is batted to almost half court when the ball goes off of A2's shoe. A1 retrieves the ball in the backcourt, partner call a violation. A team coach goes nuts. I think my partner got it right. what do you think

Nope. Team control ended when the try was released.
Your partner kicked it.

Nope. Player A2 kicked it. :D

Why do you think this?

I had an unusual BC call. A1 is dribbling in his front court, and B1 knocks the ball out of his hand toward the BC. A1 fumbles the ball in the FC, steps into the BC and recovers the ball. Tweet!

The coach was unhappy. "He didn't have control!" Me: "he doesn't have to, coach." We go on. At the half, I ask him what he had, and end up explaining that the rule requires team control, not player control. He thanked me. Sweet!

At the time it seemed right, but now that I think about it, it is not.

aw yes the sweet smell of hindsight

I had one the other day where A1 was dribbling in the frontcourt. B1 knocks it away. As A1 goes to recover the ball that was still in the frontcourt, his just starts dribbling again. Only problem was his first dribble lands on the division line.

Another one happened where A1 was dribbling in the frontcourt. B1 slaps it away. A1 jumps from the frontcourt, catches it in the air, and lands in the backcourt. A's coach tried to use the "momentum" argument, but to no avail.

Backcourt
 

The four elements for having this violation are: there must be team control; the ball must have achieved frontcourt status; the team in team control must be the last to touch the ball in frontcourt; that same team must be the first to touch after the ball has been in the backcourt.

Those are the requirements for a backcourt violation under provision 9-9-1.

Please do not fail to note that the same elements are not required for a backcourt violation under 9-9-2.

Good Point ...
 

9-9-2: While in team control in its backcourt, a player shall not cause the
ball to go from backcourt to frontcourt and return to backcourt, without the ball touching a player in the frontcourt, such that he/she or a teammate is the first to touch it in the backcourt.

Only if it's intentional ;)

That's because Billy mis-typed the requirements.

1) TC
2) Ball in FC (note: PC in FC is not required)
3) A last to touch before goes to BC (not, as was said, "touch in FC")
4) A first to touch after goes to BC (and I would claim that touching in BC is not needed)

Would try be 'released'...
 

... if, say, a player from behind swatted the ball off of the player's hand as they went up? So ball ultimately leaves player with the ball's hand, but not from their action.

No try, no try-release, team control continues.

If he statred his shooting motion he can be fouled on the shot even if the ball is knocked off his hand, not released for a try. Wouldn't this aply in this sit. He had shoolting motion so it is a try even if the ball is knocked off his hand and not "released"

In my opinion, this try ended before it was released. I could be wrong, though.

4.12.3 Team control continues until:
a. the ball is in flight during a try or tap for goal.
b. An opponent secures control.
c. The ball becomes dead.

I would surmise that since (in my example) the try (which was indeed a try) was never in flight, team control is not relinquished.

Agreed -- but give the benefit of the doubt to the shooter (that is, it was a blocked try instead of a "steal")

So this begin true we need to pay close attention just in case we have a off ball foul by the shooting team, so we can rule it a teamcontrol foul or not.

Read those old Interps!
 

2003-04 NFHS BASKETBALL RULES INTERPRETATIONS

SITUATION 5: At the top of the key, A1 beats B1 off the dribble, reaches the free-throw line, and pulls up for a jump shot. At the apex of the jump and before the ball is released, B2 comes from the side and swats the ball out of A1’s hands. The ball goes behind A1, deflects off A2 and into the backcourt, where A3 is the first to touch it. RULING: A backcourt violation shall be called. Team control had continued for Team A because the try ended before the ball was in flight. (4-12-3a; 4-40-3,4; 9-9-1)

Cerebrum, Cerebellum, Medulla Oblongata, And Old Interps ...
 

You are, by far, the "King Of Old Interps".