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djmaryb Tue Dec 16, 2008 09:37am

Background Checks For Officials
 
I am writing out of concern for all student athletes.

It has come to my attention that referees and umpires are not subjected to background checks.

This is concerning because these officials often times are in the same locker rooms as the students.

One particular offical has come to my attention...(although I am sure there are more out there).

XXX has domestic violence convictions, assault convictions and 2 DUI convictions. A further search of his background shows drug charges 20 years ago in MA. XXX currently officiates IAABO Basketball, NHIAA Baseball and NHIAA Softball.

I am concerned that this person is of questionable character and is less than the role model we expect those whom are PAID to be around our children should be.

XXX is currently without his license due to his 2nd DUI conviction and is on probation for assault. Is this the kind of person we want around our athletes????

I believe that those whom are paid to be around our children should be held to the same ethics and standards as any teacher or other person employed by the school districts.

Without a background check, how can we be certain the people officiating our athletes are not pediphiles, drug dealers or similar unsavory characters.

I trust that you will agree with me and push for background checks on all officials and persons whom are "employed" on any level with the school. Especially those individuals whom are in positions of power and whom are in close contact with the students.

BBall_Junkie Tue Dec 16, 2008 09:42am

djmaryb,

I have removed the name as this is not the place to post. We do not know of this individual and can not prove any of the information you posted therefore please refrain from specific names.

All of that being said, I am a father of three and share your concern in that those that have access to our children be upstanding individuals. I have no problem agreeing to a reasonable background check of myself as part of my officiating credentials.

However, this is probably not the right forum to address this issue. You should be writing to your state/ governing body for extra curricular activities and voicing your concern.

Rich Tue Dec 16, 2008 09:53am

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmaryb (Post 558620)
I am writing out of concern for all student athletes.

It has come to my attention that referees and umpires are not subjected to background checks.

This is concerning because these officials often times are in the same locker rooms as the students.

One particular offical has come to my attention...(although I am sure there are more out there).

XXX has domestic violence convictions, assault convictions and 2 DUI convictions. A further search of his background shows drug charges 20 years ago in MA. Mr. Bush currently officiates IAABO Basketball, NHIAA Baseball and NHIAA Softball.

I am concerned that this person is of questionable character and is less than the role model we expect those whom are PAID to be around our children should be.

XXX is currently without his license due to his 2nd DUI conviction and is on probation for assault. Is this the kind of person we want around our athletes????

I believe that those whom are paid to be around our children should be held to the same ethics and standards as any teacher or other person employed by the school districts.

Without a background check, how can we be certain the people officiating our athletes are not pediphiles, drug dealers or similar unsavory characters.

I trust that you will agree with me and push for background checks on all officials and persons whom are "employed" on any level with the school. Especially those individuals whom are in positions of power and whom are in close contact with the students.

I will get on board with this as soon as the schools or the state associations pay for it. Not me.

budjones05 Tue Dec 16, 2008 09:55am

In Missouri, we do a background check. I really don't know about your state, but we do in the show me state

OHBBREF Tue Dec 16, 2008 09:57am

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Originally Posted by BBall_Junkie (Post 558623)
djmaryb,

I have removed the name as this is not the place to post.

YOU DIDN'T GET IT ALL plase remove the rest of it.

djmaryb

I am curious where you got the information that you posted and secondly why did you feel the need to investigate this person and post this on an international WEBSITE that is not connected with your program?

mick Tue Dec 16, 2008 09:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by djmaryb (Post 558620)
I am writing out of concern for all student athletes.

It has come to my attention that referees and umpires are not subjected to background checks.

This is concerning because these officials often times are in the same locker rooms as the students.

One particular offical has come to my attention...(although I am sure there are more out there).

XXX has domestic violence convictions, assault convictions and 2 DUI convictions. A further search of his background shows drug charges 20 years ago in MA. XXX currently officiates IAABO Basketball, NHIAA Baseball and NHIAA Softball.

I am concerned that this person is of questionable character and is less than the role model we expect those whom are PAID to be around our children should be.

XXX is currently without his license due to his 2nd DUI conviction and is on probation for assault. Is this the kind of person we want around our athletes????

I believe that those whom are paid to be around our children should be held to the same ethics and standards as any teacher or other person employed by the school districts.

Without a background check, how can we be certain the people officiating our athletes are not pediphiles, drug dealers or similar unsavory characters.

I trust that you will agree with me and push for background checks on all officials and persons whom are "employed" on any level with the school. Especially those individuals whom are in positions of power and whom are in close contact with the students.

djmaryb,
As part of a concerned officials group, I am pushing for background checks on all parents.

It has come to my attention that parents and other relatives are not subjected to background checks.

This is concerning because these parents and relatives often times are in the rooms as the children.

Several particular parents have come to my attention through media reports [not merely heresay] ...(although I am sure there are more out there).

These parents have domestic violence convictions, assault convictions and DUI convictions. Further search of backgrounds show drug charges 20 years ago all over the united States and Canada and currently currently work in health care, education and security.

I believe that those whom are free to be around our children should be held to the same ethics and standards as any sports official or other person that spends numerous hours per week around the children.

Without a background check, how can we be certain the people teaching and looking after our children are not pedophiles, drug dealers or similar unsavory characters.

I trust that you will agree with me and push for background checks on all pepole and persons whom are free to be around children on any level in their lives. Especially those individuals whom are in positions of power and whom are in close contact with the students and non-students alike.
mick

zeedonk Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:05am

Regardless of one's point of view on the background check issue, this type of ranting is very, very dangerous. The use of the last name may or may not be intentional, but a public airing of somebody's dirty laundry is going in the wrong direction, IMO. Some of us might have access to verifying this information, and if it is NOT verified, djmaryb might be facing problems of her own.

I agree, take it to your local school boards, associations and state authorities. Don't bring it here. It is not remotely the correct forum.

Z

Adam Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:05am

I'm not against it, but I hardly think it's a cure-all. The contact officials have with athletes is, for all intents and purposes, supervised.

Maybe parents should stop letting their kids spend time alone with adults they don't know.

jdmara Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:08am

My fellow forum members...Are any of you EVER in the same locker room with the players? I have never had this happen nor would I allow it to happen. I would dress in a closet before sharing a locker room with a participant in a high school contest.

-Josh

OHBBREF Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:22am

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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 558634)
My fellow forum members...Are any of you EVER in the same locker room with the players? I have never had this happen nor would I allow it to happen. I would dress in a closet before sharing a locker room with a participant in a high school contest.

-Josh

At any level other than grade school ball I have never been in a lockerroom where participants dress and in those cases I wait for the room to be cleared before I would be present.

It isn't that anyone is necessarily against background checks what I am against and I think others also, is how they are handled and what the criteria for disqualification is, and the irrisponsible public airing of information that is really no bodies business who isn't invloved in your league.
So be careful what you go posting and where.

referee99 Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:40am

Mick, thank you.

BBall_Junkie Tue Dec 16, 2008 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 558628)
YOU DIDN'T GET IT ALL plase remove the rest of it.

djmaryb

I am curious where you got the information that you posted and secondly why did you feel the need to investigate this person and post this on an international WEBSITE that is not connected with your program?

My mistake as I missed one reference. I see that Mick or Bob has fixed it.

MOofficial Tue Dec 16, 2008 01:10pm

As Bud said,

In Missouri we do have do a background check. Here is the kicker, when you register online, you click a little box that says somethign to the nature of yes I submit to a background check. The thing is the fact that I know of 2 guys for sure just in my area who have been in some trouble. My thinking is they are looking for those officials whose names are already registered on the internet for something other than officiating, if you get my drift.

Adam Tue Dec 16, 2008 01:20pm

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Originally Posted by MOofficial (Post 558703)
As Bud said,

In Missouri we do have do a background check. Here is the kicker, when you register online, you click a little box that says somethign to the nature of yes I submit to a background check. The thing is the fact that I know of 2 guys for sure just in my area who have been in some trouble. My thinking is they are looking for those officials whose names are already registered on the internet for something other than officiating, if you get my drift.

Frankly, that ought to be about all they need to look for. Not sure anything else is relevant, to be honest.

deecee Tue Dec 16, 2008 01:22pm

I am fine with back ground checks if I dont have to pay for it. Funny how mary hasn't been back to respond to any thing.

I vote we delete her fly by post.

DonInKansas Tue Dec 16, 2008 04:34pm

To get licensed in Kansas we have a background check as well; you are required to put it on your application if you've had any contact with the law. Lying on that form to a State institution would be bad news.

And I have NEVER been in the same locker room as a student.

Camron Rust Tue Dec 16, 2008 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by deecee (Post 558714)
I am fine with back ground checks if I dont have to pay for it. Funny how mary hasn't been back to respond to any thing.

I vote we delete her fly by post.

Why the opposition to paying for the check. In Oregon, it is treated as part of the dues...and I think it is only $3...and only once every three years...not exactly going to break the bank. They do them in bulk (along with all other school personnel).

Adam Tue Dec 16, 2008 04:49pm

My biggest objection is the availability of the information. Who gets to know what's on it? What disqualifies a person?

There are things in the OP that I don't think should matter. Frankly, I can't imagine anything other than sex offenders or recent drug convictions should matter. But some mom is going to be upset if she finds out Suzie's referee had a DUI 10 years ago; or too many speeding tickets last year.

Kingsman1288 Tue Dec 16, 2008 04:51pm

My association only requires us to sign a legally binding paper that we have never been convicted for any crimes involving minors.

And why on Earth would an official be in the same locker room as the players? I would rather change outside in the pouring rain. That's just asking for trouble.

Adam Tue Dec 16, 2008 04:57pm

I've been in coach's offices where we had to ask a kid to leave (wrestling coach's son doing homework).

I've been in coach's offices that were located within a locker room; meaning we had to pass through the LR to get to our room. I've even had wrestling coaches bringing their wrestlers in the office to weigh in.

Again, I'm not opposed to the idea, I just want to know specifics before I submit.

jdmara Tue Dec 16, 2008 05:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kingsman1288 (Post 558783)
My association only requires us to sign a legally binding paper that we have never been convicted for any crimes involving minors.

And why on Earth would an official be in the same locker room as the players? I would rather change outside in the pouring rain. That's just asking for trouble.

Changing outside would get you into court on one of those crimes involving a minor. ;)

I dressed in a, extra girl's locker room a few weeks ago. I had the AD walk through the locker room prior to me going in. Then I yelled into the locker room for anyone to speak up if they are in there. I don't want to put myself into any situation with a student.

-Josh

deecee Tue Dec 16, 2008 05:08pm

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Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 558790)
Changing outside would get you into court on one of those crimes involving a minor. ;)

I dressed in a, extra girl's locker room a few weeks ago. I had the AD walk through the locker room prior to me going in. Then I yelled into the locker room for anyone to speak up if they are in there. I don't want to put myself into any situation with a student.

-Josh

Yup, you can only hope that someone responds with "No one in here" so that you can be 100% sure the room is clear.

mbyron Tue Dec 16, 2008 08:04pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 558787)
I've been in coach's offices that were located within a locker room; meaning we had to pass through the LR to get to our room. I've even had wrestling coaches bringing their wrestlers in the office to weigh in.

We have one venue where the officials change in the coach's office, and the office door opens into the girls' locker room. They put up a screen that's about 5' 8" high. It's quite a sight to watch the officials duck walk with their eyes closed out of that office... :eek:

tjones1 Tue Dec 16, 2008 08:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 558634)
My fellow forum members...Are any of you EVER in the same locker room with the players? I have never had this happen nor would I allow it to happen. I would dress in a closet before sharing a locker room with a participant in a high school contest.

-Josh

I never have, nor would I. But I'm just one person and I'm sure the orginal poster has more data to go off of to conclude officials and players dress in the same locker room than just assuming they do. :rolleyes:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Camron Rust (Post 558779)
Why the opposition to paying for the check. In Oregon, it is treated as part of the dues...and I think it is only $3...and only once every three years...not exactly going to break the bank. They do them in bulk (along with all other school personnel).

I would be in favor of paying three bucks every three years. But, I think the way most people are looking at it is that they would have to pay $XX every year to have a background check conducted on them.

Chess Ref Tue Dec 16, 2008 08:11pm

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 558782)
My biggest objection is the availability of the information. Who gets to know what's on it? What disqualifies a person?

There are things in the OP that I don't think should matter. Frankly, I can't imagine anything other than sex offenders or recent drug convictions should matter. But some mom is going to be upset if she finds out Suzie's referee had a DUI 10 years ago; or too many speeding tickets last year.

My recent true story. One of the local assignors has started the fingerprinting scan DOJ Homeland Security thing. Exaggeration intended. :)

I declined. For not the usual reasons but I don't get that many games from him, the games are last minute 3rd/4th grade type stuff and I'm not that interested in those games at all. So for me it was a no brainer. If my HS assignor went that way I would get my scan done.

So I'm talking to another official about it and he casually mentions that he heard I was passing on the scan. I'm thinking WTF. That was a little more then annoying that he told other people this info. I can only imagine if there was something of interest to talk about who would hear about it.....Just some food for thought.

Oz Referee Tue Dec 16, 2008 10:47pm

If working in Queensland (one of the states of Australia) referees must get a "working with children" clearance done by Queensland Police, however this is the only state that I know of in Oz that requires such a thing.


On the locker room issue - true story

A few years ago there was a transgendered player (biologically/physically a man, waiting to go through the op to restructure genitalia). Legally a t/g person is the same as a person born that gender - in this sitch a woman.

She was banned from playing in women's competition, won a court case to allow her. Team-mates refused to get changed with her in girls change room. She was told to use guys, she refused and took the matter back to court. Court ruled that a third changeroom had to be provided at every venue she played at...created quite a few logistical nightmares with offices/storerooms/etc being used as "changerooms"


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