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Old Thu Dec 04, 2008, 12:50pm
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Ma officials??

Any one have an update on the PGHS? Last I heard we were waiting on a court injunction. Is it going to be a pre-game handshake? are we staying? not staying?
thanks for any info.
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Old Thu Dec 04, 2008, 01:23pm
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About a week and a half ago, our board was told the issue was supposed to go before a judge "in about 2 weeks". Supposed to be resolved before the season starts...but then again, we were told it was supposed to be resolved before the start of the season last year too. I'm not holding my breath.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 08:29am
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this was just passed on from our board:

Be sure to adhere to the protocols listed on the MIAA website.

Greet the Site Administrator and be escorted to the locker room.
Remind him/her that you expect him/her to be present during the handshake.
Perform you duties as a referee.

At the conclusion of the game, certify the score, and with your back to the
scorer's bench, observe the handshake (I don't think you have to stay for
the entire thing, but close to the end).
Then leave with your partner.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INKLINGS THAT YOUR SAFETY IS AT RISK, INFORM THE SITE
ADMINISTRATOR, GET THE HANDSHAKE FORM, FILL IT OUT AND SUBMIT IT TO THE
ADMINISTRATOR AND SEND A COPY TO THE MIAA.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 08:34am
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this was just passed on from our board:

Be sure to adhere to the protocols listed on the MIAA website.

Greet the Site Administrator and be escorted to the locker room.
Remind him/her that you expect him/her to be present during the handshake.
Perform you duties as a referee.

At the conclusion of the game, certify the score, and with your back to the
scorer's bench, observe the handshake (I don't think you have to stay for
the entire thing, but close to the end).
Then leave with your partner.

IF YOU HAVE ANY INKLINGS THAT YOUR SAFETY IS AT RISK, INFORM THE SITE
ADMINISTRATOR, GET THE HANDSHAKE FORM, FILL IT OUT AND SUBMIT IT TO THE
ADMINISTRATOR AND SEND A COPY TO THE MIAA.
So if you fear for your safety you have track down the "Handshake" form before you leave??? WOW!!! This situation is a joke.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 08:40am
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So if you fear for your safety you have track down the "Handshake" form before you leave??? WOW!!! This situation is a joke.
Sheesh!
No you don't track down the form.
You take one with you to the game.

Scout's honor!
Be prepared.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 09:31am
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this was just passed on from our board:

Be sure to adhere to the protocols listed on the MIAA website.
I was under the impression that we are still following the state board's vote NOT to adhere to the protocol, until the court ruling came down.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 09:34am
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I was under the impression that we are still following the state board's vote NOT to adhere to the protocol, until the court ruling came down.
Maybe its board dependent? This is what one of my assignors has asked of us. My first few games are at schools where I am not to concerned about incidents. obviously you never know, but I don't anticipate any problems.
this whole situation is a joke. I just hope it is resolved one way or another soon.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 09:56am
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Maybe its board dependent?
It shouldn't be. Local IAABO boards are supposed to follow the state board.

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This is what one of my assignors has asked of us.
And in the real world, you probably have to do what your assignor asks of you. But, personally, I will never stay for a handshake again, even if the court says that we have to follow the MIAA.

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My first few games are at schools where I am not to concerned about incidents. obviously you never know,
And that's why no basketball official should be asked to stay.

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this whole situation is a joke. I just hope it is resolved one way or another soon.
Amen.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 10:32am
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It shouldn't be. Local IAABO boards are supposed to follow the state board.

And in the real world, you probably have to do what your assignor asks of you. But, personally, I will never stay for a handshake again, even if the court says that we have to follow the MIAA.

And that's why no basketball official should be asked to stay.

Amen.
I wish I was at a point in my career where I could say I will never stay for a handshake. Unfortunately if I want to work I will have to stay if that is what is asked of me.
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Old Fri Dec 05, 2008, 10:48am
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Local IAABO boards are supposed to follow the state board.
Key word: "supposed". And that's why 700+ officials enrolled with the MIAA during their first enrollment period right before the post season tourney? This was before the local boards gave us the green light and enrolled everyone as a board...

Local boards are telling each other and the MIAA that all the officials are unified, but the local boards are telling their membership something different. They're basically saying "this is our stance, but as officials you are independant contractors and can do whatever you want, and we can't stop you or punish you for doing it". You can't say you're going to boycott the post season tournament, and then have more than an ample number of officials register with the MIAA. They might not necessarily be top-notch, deserving officials that would otherwise normally have received a post season assignment, but the MIAA would have more than enough bodies to put 3 officials on court for each game.

Bottom line is that if the local/state board wants any true negotiating pull with the MIAA, the membership needs to officially unionize, which I'm not saying I support by any means. And the problem with that, is that this would drive away a lot of officials from the IAABO boards and push them to one of a number of independent, non-IAABO boards in the state.
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