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Clark Kent Wed Dec 10, 2008 02:29pm

Hair Control
 
In the part II test question #83 states the following....

"An item used to control the hair may be of any color"

I realize that the answer is true, or so assume it is because I can't find a reference to where it is stated that a hair control can be of any color. 3-5-3d mentions hair control devices but says nothing of color. Does anyone have a reference or does by it not being mentioned imply that it is legally acceptable?

Thanks

refnrev Wed Dec 10, 2008 03:32pm

True

Juulie Downs Wed Dec 10, 2008 04:51pm

I've been waiting for someone else to answer this, but apparently I'll have to just add my questions.

From the new rules, it looks like the rules committee wants us to see sweatbands and pre-wrap as the same thing. Is that right?

So it can't be one player with a sweatband, and the rest have pre-wrap. At least, that's how I"m reading it. And they all have to "match"? It just seems so micro-managing!

just another ref Wed Dec 10, 2008 05:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 557130)
From the new rules, it looks like the rules committee wants us to see sweatbands and pre-wrap as the same thing. Is that right?

So it can't be one player with a sweatband, and the rest have pre-wrap. At least, that's how I"m reading it. And they all have to "match"? It just seems so micro-managing!

Sweatband, pre-wrap, your old fan belt......as long as they're all sorta the same color, it's ok.

jdmara Wed Dec 10, 2008 05:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 557130)
I've been waiting for someone else to answer this, but apparently I'll have to just add my questions.

From the new rules, it looks like the rules committee wants us to see sweatbands and pre-wrap as the same thing. Is that right?

So it can't be one player with a sweatband, and the rest have pre-wrap. At least, that's how I"m reading it. And they all have to "match"? It just seems so micro-managing!

From my understanding, the only thing that has to coordinate is the color. I don't believe everyone has to have the exact same sky blue nike sweatband, for instance. I allowed earlier in the season one player to wear black prewrap while the other teammates wore black headbands.

-Josh

just another ref beat me too it...darn...I think the fan belt would be illegal though. It's abrasive ;)

JRutledge Wed Dec 10, 2008 05:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 557130)
I've been waiting for someone else to answer this, but apparently I'll have to just add my questions.

From the new rules, it looks like the rules committee wants us to see sweatbands and pre-wrap as the same thing. Is that right?

So it can't be one player with a sweatband, and the rest have pre-wrap. At least, that's how I"m reading it. And they all have to "match"? It just seems so micro-managing!

You are really over thinking this. I am about to repeat what is in the rulebook.

The NF is saying that anything that goes around your head must fit the same classifications. All they did was define (or redefine) the headband and add the ability for different colors to be used.

If everyone fits the color restrictions or match, it does not matter what they wear around their head as long as they fit the definition of a headband. Pre-wrap, elastic straps and sweatbands all apply to this rule.

Peace

M&M Guy Wed Dec 10, 2008 05:10pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 557130)
I've been waiting for someone else to answer this, but apparently I'll have to just add my questions.

From the new rules, it looks like the rules committee wants us to see sweatbands and pre-wrap as the same thing. Is that right?

So it can't be one player with a sweatband, and the rest have pre-wrap. At least, that's how I"m reading it. And they all have to "match"? It just seems so micro-managing!

Sweatbands and prewrap are considered the same thing. So, they all have to match in color, but you can have different types of sweatbands. So, yes, some can have the terrycloth, while others can have the pre-wrap.

Micro-managing? Yes. Nano-managing? Not yet.

Mark Padgett Wed Dec 10, 2008 07:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdmara (Post 557137)
I don't believe everyone has to have the exact same sky blue Nike sweatband, for instance.

Fixed it for ya'. Nike is always capitalized, at least here in Oregon. ;)

jdmara Wed Dec 10, 2008 07:41pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 557154)
Fixed it for ya'. Nike is always capitalized, at least here in Oregon. ;)

Thanks Mark. That pesky job is keeping me from paying attention to details on the forum again. I might have to quit the job so I can post better next time ;)

-Josh

grunewar Wed Dec 10, 2008 09:23pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 557140)
Sweatbands and prewrap are considered the same thing. So, they all have to match in color, but you can have different types of sweatbands.

Girls Freshman game tonight. I had every color prewrap, headband, and sweatband under the sun.....I go up to the coach before the game and say, here are your choices coach - pick one and go with it! They had two girls with blue ones (their uniform color) all the rest dissappeared.....

just another ref Thu Dec 11, 2008 12:53am

sometimes they think you're kidding
 
Last night, girls varsity, home player wearing a blue headband. I said "Blue headband has gotta go." She stared at me like I was from outer space for a second or two, then turned back to her layup line. BUT THE CREATURE WOULDN'T GO AWAY! I said, "Like....now." She quickly jerked the band off, seemingly annoyed. Do they think we make these up on the spot?

zm1283 Thu Dec 11, 2008 01:00am

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 557228)
Last night, girls varsity, home player wearing a blue headband. I said "Blue headband has gotta go." She stared at me like I was from outer space for a second or two, then turned back to her layup line. BUT THE CREATURE WOULDN'T GO AWAY! I said, "Like....now." She quickly jerked the band off, seemingly annoyed. Do they think we make these up on the spot?

This happened to me in a girls varsity game a couple weeks ago. Both teams had several different colors on and they looked at us like we were crazy when we told them to remove them.

mbyron Thu Dec 11, 2008 07:31am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 557130)
From the new rules, it looks like the rules committee wants us to see sweatbands and pre-wrap as the same thing. Is that right?

Not quite. One is a sweatband, the other is pre-wrap, and they serve different functions. In this respect, they are different things.

However, the rule concerns the appearance of items that go all the way around the head. Since both of these items do so, they are the same kind of thing, and so both subject to the rule.

mbyron Thu Dec 11, 2008 07:32am

Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 557228)
Last night, girls varsity, home player wearing a blue headband. I said "Blue headband has gotta go." She stared at me like I was from outer space for a second or two, then turned back to her layup line. BUT THE CREATURE WOULDN'T GO AWAY! I said, "Like....now." She quickly jerked the band off, seemingly annoyed. Do they think we make these up on the spot?

Sometimes basketball can be as much a fashion event as an athletic one. You were obviously cramping her style. I would guess that you found a coach who doesn't pass rule changes along to the team.

Chess Ref Thu Dec 11, 2008 08:26am

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Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 557245)
Not quite. One is a sweatband, the other is pre-wrap, and they serve different functions. In this respect, they are different things.

However, the rule concerns the appearance of items that go all the way around the head. Since both of these items do so, they are the same kind of thing, and so both subject to the rule.

So how about those little skinny rubberband like things that go around the entire head. I have been considering those hair control devices, its starting to seem like my considerations have been wrong. :eek:

cdoug Thu Dec 11, 2008 08:39am

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Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 557263)
So how about those little skinny rubberband like things that go around the entire head. I have been considering those hair control devices, its starting to seem like my considerations have been wrong. :eek:

I'd say by definition if it goes around the whole head it's a headband and falls under 3-5-3.

bob jenkins Thu Dec 11, 2008 08:50am

I cannot believe the number of questions on this and other sites regarding this rule. Who knew it could be so confusing.

If it's used to hold the hair together in a pony-tail (or pig-tail, or braid) like shape, it's a "hair control device." These are usually something like those 2" cloth-covered rubber bands. No color restrictions on these.

If it holds the hair down to the head (goes around the crown of the head) then it's a "Headband". It might also be a sweatband, pre-wrap, the 8" diameter "nike" bands, a larger rubber band, etc. All of the players on a team who are wearing any such device must be wearing the same color.

IREFU2 Thu Dec 11, 2008 09:01am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 557267)
I cannot believe the number of questions on this and other sites regarding this rule. Who knew it could be so confusing.

If it's used to hold the hair together in a pony-tail (or pig-tail, or braid) like shape, it's a "hair control device." These are usually something like those 2" cloth-covered rubber bands. No color restrictions on these.

If it holds the hair down to the head (goes around the crown of the head) then it's a "Headband". It might also be a sweatband, pre-wrap, the 8" diameter "nike" bands, a larger rubber band, etc. All of the players on a team who are wearing any such device must be wearing the same color.

I believe the correct terminology is a scrunchie!!!!!!! Thats what hold the pony tail!!!!!

grunewar Thu Dec 11, 2008 09:01am

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins (Post 557267)
Who knew it could be so confusing.

Certainly not the coaches who all look at me with the "dear in the headlihghts look" as if they didn't know.

Concur, this is easy to explain (and I am making a photo copy of you post to give to the coaches). ;)

BillyMac Thu Dec 11, 2008 09:49am

Flash Your Badge ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 557228)
Sometimes they think you're kidding

Were you carrying this?

http://ac4.yt-thm-a01.yimg.com/image/1fab751b544177b0

Or this?

http://ac4.yt-thm-a04.yimg.com/image/97ddc0224371719a

Also, these don't count as images, they're URL's. I'm still, technically, image free, for about three months.

mbyron Thu Dec 11, 2008 11:11am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chess Ref (Post 557263)
So how about those little skinny rubberband like things that go around the entire head. I have been considering those hair control devices, its starting to seem like my considerations have been wrong. :eek:

If they go around the head, then they are restricted by rule, regardless of their function (hair control, sweat collection, attracting a mate, etc.).

BillyMac Thu Dec 11, 2008 02:47pm

"Not That There's Anything Wrong With That" ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mbyron (Post 557352)
Attracting a mate.

Be careful here. We have a few Forum members from the "Land Down Under" who may find this a little confusing, or not.

w_sohl Thu Dec 11, 2008 03:51pm

Headband versus Hair Control Device
 
A headband is anything that goes entirely around the head. A sweatband, prewrap, rubberband, those elastic things. They must be either white, black, tan or the dominant color of the jersey. They also can have only one logo on them. Most that I have seen have Nike or the UA logo on them several times and must be turned inside out or taken off if they want to play. Remember, they don't have to take them off, but they can't wear them while they are playing. The choice is theirs. A hair control device are scrunchies, the elastic bands that only wrap hair into a pony tail or such and there are no restrictions on color or logos other than safety issues.


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