Expert Village Video: Charging
 

As a newbie I enjoyed the comments on my post of the YouTube video from Expert Village on tripping. Thought it might be helpful for me and other newbies to look at another and get some comments. I guess these videos are good instructional material as long as you are looking for the errors.

Here's the video

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The first thing that jumped out at me is the "charge" signal given in the video is actual the player control foul signal, shouldn't this be followed with the two handed push/charge signal?

Secondly the description of what is a block in the video seems to perpetuate the "its a block if the defender is moving" myth. And it seems to me that the example of the block in the video (about 1:05 in) is actually a charge. Looks like the defender had LGP and was moving laterally to maintain it. Comments?

1. he has the proper charge signal. I have no idea what signal you are referring to.
2. It was a block.

I am referring to signal 33 (NFHS) which is defined as pushing or charging.

For those of us that are new and still working out the subtleties of block/charge calls it would be helpful to have a little more info that "it was a block"

Is the punch-out proper IAABO mechanics?

The term "charging" is often used to describe this foul, but the player control foul is the proper signal. No additional signal is used.

This is different than a team control foul, where a secondary signal is routinely used. The difference, as far as I can tell, is that in the case of a PC foul, everybody is watching what happened. In a TC foul, most often the foul occurred away from the ball and some additional information is very helpful.

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33 - This would not be used for a charge. Just the player control signal.

As for the video, watch the movement and see who initiated the contact, and watch the movement of and body positioning of the defender.

1. This guy is fool. I hope that he officiates nothing but rec league. I agree that he is incorrect about the requirements for block/charge and most likely WAY overpenalizes defensive players.

2. They run three plays.
a. PC

b. PC or nothing; The offensive player initiates the contact and the defender had a legal position. He may move to maintain it.

c. block; The defender is moving towards the dribbler and causes the contact with his thighs and legs.

3. The PC signal (hand behind the head) is all that need be given for any foul by the player in control of the ball. The punch or point in the other direction is not precisely correct. There is a point AFTER the PC signal to indicate the direction of play, but strictly speaking it is not to be given simultaneously with the PC signal.

4. The charging/push signal is used in the pass and crash scenario or when a player runs over another player and the ball is not involved. This can be a team control foul (pass and crash), which would warrant the use of the punch signal or it could even be committed by the defense (running over a screener).

Three seconds into the video, the guy's very first words. . . "Charging is an offensive violation." Good grief.

1) Charging can be committed by either the offensive player or the defensive player. We usually see it on player control situations, but a defender illegally pushing through a screen is also considered charging.

2) Charging is never a violation. It's a foul, usually personal.

As to his demonstration of mechanics:

The player control signal is to be performed entirely with one arm. It's done in three steps:

1) Fist to stop the clock;
2) Hand behind head;
3) Open palm, pointing direction (done with the same hand).

These videos are really terrible.

Phew - these guys are nuts.

Dont believe everything you see on the internet. You know that saying 'some village is missing there idiot?' I guess we now know where they all went.

@ 0:36s he says the "...proper mechanic is to stop the whistle..." :cool:

Good Lord.

You'd actually come out ahead believing nothing you see on the internet. Including this. ;)

This must be an old video because he said "the defender moved his feet".

I'm not sure that was ever relevant, by rule.

I'll also disagree with his statement that "this is one of the hardest calls for an official to make."

If you are "refereeing the defense" and you know the position of the defender this is not a difficult call.

Yes it is a bang bang call, but not the most difficult call we make.

What is the most difficult call we make?

Whether a headband is going around the head, or is a hair-control device.

He made me laugh.
 

This guy's so bad, it's actually amusing. He seems like a guy that has been doing the local (w)rec(k) ball for 20 years and this is his gift to everyone...a training video for the young dads in the stands that want to try this reffing thing.

Ordering pizza for halftime during a live ball.

Nice that you still remember the common people, but I know that a man of your stature has a member of his entourage to set up the halftime buffet.

Any foul call below JV. :)

I think it's a toss up between traveling and basket interference.

Edited: But if Padgett is ordering pizza, or better yet, has a halftime buffet, I'm going to work on Juulie to see if I can wrangle an invite to come work as the third official in their next game. :D

OK. that was great! LOL

That is so terrible it defies description.

Who do you think orders the pizza?

I'm not wasting time watching this. I already watched the first one and can merely extrapolate to imagine the rest of the series.

1. Traveling
2. OOB

To hear the crowd tell it, the calls we have the hardest times making are "over the back" and "keyhole."

Yeah. That's the Idaho way fans complain about 3 in the key. :)

Around here they just yell "3 seconds." No confusing it that way.

I just put over the back and keyhole because neither of those are actual calls or names of calls and it is always kind of humerous to hear the fans shout them out. :) Though I have a funny feeling I wouldnt listen to them any more if they actually yelled out "verticality".

Obviously we get fans saying "3 seconds!" as well. But the real old school Idaho fans will yell "keyhole!" Picture a real old guy in the stands in flannel and youve got it about right. Particularly the further away from the towns and into the smaller areas like Wallace and Kellog. In Coeur d'Alene you get the more refined "3 seconds." :)

Here is another "expert" video.

Pre-game Basketball Referee Duties | Expert Village Videos

Entire series:

Basketball Penalties and Their Signals | Expert Village Videos

:eek:

These are Terrible
 

This entire video series is terrible. What a waste of bandwidth and time. Oh well, good thing I'm bored at work today and don't have anything else to do:)

I do agree with holding the dog when at work, but I think seeing the video series is good to remind ourselves "what not to do".

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I knew I always liked you, M&M.:D

A classic mistake. :D

Anybody recognize the patch this guy has on his jersey in these videos?

I am sorry for joining this thread late but I just had to add my two cents. I went to ExpertVillage.com and registered with the site; that way I can make comments about what the experts have said. Ain't I a stinker, :D.

I do not know Dave Tyler but according to his ExpertVilliage.com profile he is a MichiganHSAA registered basketball official and a member of the United Federation of Officials. The UFO (no jokes or laughs please) is a MichiganHSAA Approved Officials Association. The President (who was also very instrumental in the founding of UFO) of the UFO is a personal friend of mine; we have officiated women's college basketball and AAU boys' basketball national championships together and he still umpires NCAA Div. I women's fastpitch softball (he is on the MAC staff).

MTD, Sr.

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