Expert Village Video: Charging

[wrwom]

Originally Posted by refnrev

1. he has the proper charge signal. I have no idea what signal you are referring to.
2. It was a block.

I am referring to signal 33 (NFHS) which is defined as pushing or charging.

For those of us that are new and still working out the subtleties of block/charge calls it would be helpful to have a little more info that "it was a block"

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by wrwom

I am referring to signal 33 (NFHS) which is defined as pushing or charging.

For those of us that are new and still working out the subtleties of block/charge calls it would be helpful to have a little more info that "it was a block"

The term "charging" is often used to describe this foul, but the player control foul is the proper signal. No additional signal is used.

This is different than a team control foul, where a secondary signal is routinely used. The difference, as far as I can tell, is that in the case of a PC foul, everybody is watching what happened. In a TC foul, most often the foul occurred away from the ball and some additional information is very helpful.

[refnrev]

Originally Posted by wrwom

I am referring to signal 33 (NFHS) which is defined as pushing or charging.

For those of us that are new and still working out the subtleties of block/charge calls it would be helpful to have a little more info that "it was a block"

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33 - This would not be used for a charge. Just the player control signal.

As for the video, watch the movement and see who initiated the contact, and watch the movement of and body positioning of the defender.

[Nevadaref]

1. This guy is fool. I hope that he officiates nothing but rec league. I agree that he is incorrect about the requirements for block/charge and most likely WAY overpenalizes defensive players.

2. They run three plays.
a. PC

b. PC or nothing; The offensive player initiates the contact and the defender had a legal position. He may move to maintain it.

c. block; The defender is moving towards the dribbler and causes the contact with his thighs and legs.

3. The PC signal (hand behind the head) is all that need be given for any foul by the player in control of the ball. The punch or point in the other direction is not precisely correct. There is a point AFTER the PC signal to indicate the direction of play, but strictly speaking it is not to be given simultaneously with the PC signal.

4. The charging/push signal is used in the pass and crash scenario or when a player runs over another player and the ball is not involved. This can be a team control foul (pass and crash), which would warrant the use of the punch signal or it could even be committed by the defense (running over a screener).

[Scrapper1]

Three seconds into the video, the guy's very first words. . . "Charging is an offensive violation." Good grief.

1) Charging can be committed by either the offensive player or the defensive player. We usually see it on player control situations, but a defender illegally pushing through a screen is also considered charging.

2) Charging is never a violation. It's a foul, usually personal.

As to his demonstration of mechanics:

The player control signal is to be performed entirely with one arm. It's done in three steps:

1) Fist to stop the clock;
2) Hand behind head;
3) Open palm, pointing direction (done with the same hand).

These videos are really terrible.

[Caesar's Ghost]

Phew - these guys are nuts.

Dont believe everything you see on the internet. You know that saying 'some village is missing there idiot?' I guess we now know where they all went.

[JugglingReferee]

@ 0:36s he says the "...proper mechanic is to stop the whistle..."

Good Lord.

[mbyron]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Dont believe everything you see on the internet.

You'd actually come out ahead believing nothing you see on the internet. Including this.

[ChrisSportsFan]

This must be an old video because he said "the defender moved his feet".

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Caesar's Ghost

Phew - these guys are nuts.

Dont believe everything you see on the internet. You know that saying 'some village is missing there idiot?' I guess we now know where they all went.

A classic mistake.

[rockyroad]

Anybody recognize the patch this guy has on his jersey in these videos?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

I am sorry for joining this thread late but I just had to add my two cents. I went to ExpertVillage.com and registered with the site; that way I can make comments about what the experts have said. Ain't I a stinker, .

I do not know Dave Tyler but according to his ExpertVilliage.com profile he is a MichiganHSAA registered basketball official and a member of the United Federation of Officials. The UFO (no jokes or laughs please) is a MichiganHSAA Approved Officials Association. The President (who was also very instrumental in the founding of UFO) of the UFO is a personal friend of mine; we have officiated women's college basketball and AAU boys' basketball national championships together and he still umpires NCAA Div. I women's fastpitch softball (he is on the MAC staff).

MTD, Sr.