Greetings from Alaska. fouled on the shot
 

Hello all. I just stumbled on to this forum and enjoyed the discusions. Had a situation I wanted to get some feed back on. A1 is going up for a shot. (started the motion) and is fouled by B1. As B1 contacts A1 the ball is knocked loose. while still in the air A1 taps the ball up and In the basket. I saw this play in a game and the officials counted the basket to start with but then the coach had a discussion with them and they took away the basket and gave A1 two shots. I haven't found a case play situation like this or a specific rule. Personaly I would have counted the basket and given one free throw. Any thoughts would be great. I am a official in the Anchorage Sports Officials Association. Have been for three years. I have called ball since i graduated high school in 92. Love the game and look forward to calling the it for years to come. Always ready to learn!!!

Welcome to the forum.

There is an argument to be made that the basket shouldn't count because the initial try was not successful, and the 2nd try (tap) started after the foul.

What's the argument for the other way?

I agree. 4-41-4 says: "The try ends when the throw is successful, when it is certain the throw is unsuccessful, when the thrown ball touches the floor or when the ball becomes dead".

Seems to me that the first throw was unsuccessful so the try ended and the ball was then dead because of the foul.

That the release of the ball and subsequent tap was all part of the same try.

Not saying I agree with it, but that would be the argument for counting the basket. ;)

It's a really cool play. :)

Wasilla, Ak???

As in the home of former mayor and current Gov. Sarah Palin?

Yes THE Wasilla. my thoughts were that his shooting motion had not been completed as he was still airborn. Say he wasn't fouled and the sae play occured. As he ent up for the shot he lost control but was able to tap it in before he came back down.

The shot can be over before the airborne shooter returns to the floor.
Consider this play:

A1 jumps for shot, gets fouled. The ball goes up and comes down to A1 prior to A1 landing. A1 bats the ball back up. Two completely different shots; second one does not count.

what if he got fouled after losing control but before the tap is this a try since he lost control???

I appreciate that point. I guess we need to decide if it is part of the original shot movement. Any rule thoughts come to mind? I thought u could argue it either way, but usually their is a right and wrong. Notice I said usually.

zm nails the rule reference above.

+1

The 1st Commandment of basketball officiating: Thou shalt know thy definitions. ;)

Welcome to the forum, AKOFL.
Very good sitch!

For me, the second shot never happened.

I am having a hard time coming up with any scenario where the shooter's deliberate contacting of the ball after releasing it for a try isn't part of a new play: a rebound, putback or another shot attempt.