Foul on jump ball to start game

[Freddy]

Before the jump ball is administered, a foul is called on A1 who illegally contacts B1 to the extent that it is not merely incidental and could not be ignored. This is an intentional technical foul because it's during dead ball. By rule, does the A team coach lose his coaching box?

[SNIPERBBB]

Originally Posted by Freddy

Before the jump ball is administered, a foul is called on A1 who illegally contacts B1 to the extent that it is not merely incidental and could not be ignored. This is an intentional technical foul because it's during dead ball. By rule, does the A team coach lose his coaching box?

I'm sure the OP had this figured out in the 12 years since his original post

[Freddy]

I customarily do a search before I post a question. My search came up with that thread which is admittedly old. However it did not include consideration of the actual question I have. So please entertain my actual question and if you have any feedback that can help me I would appreciate it.

[SNIPERBBB]

They'd be players at that point. For a indirect T to a Coach the player would have to be bench personnel.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

They'd be players at that point. For a indirect T to a Coach the player would have to be bench personnel.

At what point do team members become players prior to the ball becoming live for the opening tip. No access to any rule books at the moment, but I don't ever remember reading what the line of demarcation is.

[SNIPERBBB]

It's not during intermission for the purposes of penalizing behavior. So the people on the court have to be players, excepting illegal substitutes.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB

It's not during intermission or a timeout ...

Timeouts? Aren't the five team members players during a timeout while everybody is bench personnel during an intermission?

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Raymond

At what point do team members become players prior to the ball becoming live for the opening tip. No access to any rule books at the moment, but I don't ever remember reading what the line of demarcation is.

Once the team members enter the court for the ensuing jumpball.

Clearly, all team members are bench personnel during pregame warm-ups, but we have some indicators that warmups have ended: the clock winds down, a horn sounds, the team members remove warmup garb such as shooting shirts, pants, etc., the teams usually go to their respective benches and huddle, the individuals marked as starters take the court. At this point we have ten players on the court, even though the ball has yet to become live to start the game.


PS This must be on some review exam because I’ve had two other people contact me about this same situation this Fall. I’m curious where Freddy saw the question.

[SNIPERBBB]

Another thing is we can have violations occur prior to the actual toss as well.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

Once the team members enter the court for the ensuing jumpball. Clearly, all team members are bench personnel during pregame warm-ups, but we have some indicators that warmups have ended: the clock winds down, a horn sounds, the team members remove warmup garb such as shooting shirts, pants, etc., the teams usually go to their respective benches and huddle, the individuals marked as starters take the court. At this point we have ten players on the court, even though the ball has yet to become live to start the game.

4-34-1: A player is one of five team members who are legally on the court at any given time, except intermission.

[Freddy]

Originally Posted by Nevadaref

. . . where Freddy saw the question.

My specific question was a further application of a rules question that was asked on a state rules exam. This question came up in further discussion on the original question.
It's just a situation I had never confronted before and never investigated. I thought maybe it would be included in the past NFHS interpretations somewhere but it was not.