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Mregor Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:51pm

Optional Coaching Box
 
Optional Coaching Box was not marked. State uses a 14' box at the 28' to 14' mark. Game managment didn't want to mark up their new floor with tape but they eventually did. I seem to remember that if the box wasn't marked, the visitor got to use it but home didn't. Can't find this in any books though. Maybe it was a state adaptation? How do you do it if the box isn't marked and they won't/don't mark it?

Mregor

tjones1 Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:54pm

If it isn't marked, then they don't get a box. They get to sit on the bench the whole game. As far as the vistor getting to use it and the home not getting to..it might be a state adaptation but not around here.

Illini_Ref Mon Dec 01, 2008 01:00pm

Marked or not, most coaches consider the box optional. At least that has been my experience. :D

JRutledge Mon Dec 01, 2008 01:01pm

In our state if one does not have the box, the other coach does not get the box. We also use the 14 foot box, but if for some reason there is only a 6 foot box on one bench, then both use the 6 foot box.

We are also instructed to have someone tape the boxes if they are not painted on the floor. This is something we talk about in the pre-game meeting if necessary and just let them know the situation.

Peace

Mark Padgett Mon Dec 01, 2008 01:24pm

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Originally Posted by JRutledge (Post 554342)
We are also instructed to have someone tape the boxes if they are not painted on the floor.

You should give the home coach the option - put tape on the floor for the boxes or put tape over his mouth. His choice. ;)

Back In The Saddle Mon Dec 01, 2008 07:21pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 554348)
You should give the home coach the option - put tape on the floor for the boxes or put tape over his mouth. His choice. ;)

Can't it be both? ;)

BillyMac Mon Dec 01, 2008 09:17pm

IAABO Connecticut Only ...
 
CONNECTICUT MECHANICS:
Point to floor for two-point field goal try when shooter has foot touching three point line.
No long switches when foul is called in the backcourt and there is no change of possession or direction.
Team members are not allowed to congregate at midcourt during introductions. Officials will direct players to free throw line area in front of respective benches.
Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach and/or home management refuse to designate coaching box with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary, or Commissioner the next day.

derwil Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:24pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 554348)
You should give the home coach the option - put tape on the floor for the boxes or put tape over his mouth. His choice. ;)

Long live the seatbelt! :)

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:34pm

Per NFHS Rules, the Coaching Box does not exist unless the StateHSAA adopts the Coaching Box Rule. And even if at StateHSAA does adopt the Coaching Box Rule, if the Coaching Box is not marked then the game will be played under the actual NFHS Rules: no Coaching Box.

If the StateHSAA adopts the Coaching Box Rule, it must be marked for both teams or neither team will have the Coaching Box for the entire game.

MTD, Sr.

Adam Tue Dec 02, 2008 07:33am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 554521)
If the StateHSAA adopts the Coaching Box Rule, it must be marked for both teams or neither team will have the Coaching Box for the entire game. (Except in Connecticut)

Fixed it for you, Mark. :)

BillyMac Tue Dec 02, 2008 07:50pm

"Tape? We don't need no stinkin' tape!"
 
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Originally Posted by BillyMac (Post 554488)
Coaching Box must be marked. If home coach and/or home management refuse to designate coaching box with tape, the home team will not use a coaching box for that game. However, the visiting team will be allowed a coaching box. Notify Board Secretary, or Commissioner the next day.

This was initiated, and approved, by out state sports governing body, the Connecticut Interscholastic Athletic Conference (CIAC). We were just pleased to accept their guidelinbes. No more carrying tape in out jacket pocket. No more officials putting down tape in front of hundreds of fans. No more site directors saying that the custodian won't allow tape on the gym floor because it will ruin the finish.

Rich Wed Dec 03, 2008 02:52am

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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. (Post 554521)
Per NFHS Rules, the Coaching Box does not exist unless the StateHSAA adopts the Coaching Box Rule. And even if at StateHSAA does adopt the Coaching Box Rule, if the Coaching Box is not marked then the game will be played under the actual NFHS Rules: no Coaching Box.

If the StateHSAA adopts the Coaching Box Rule, it must be marked for both teams or neither team will have the Coaching Box for the entire game.

MTD, Sr.

Maybe in Ohio, but here in the Badger State, we put tape on the floor to mark the box.

I hope I never have to work a game again with a seatbelt rule in place.

Nevadaref Wed Dec 03, 2008 03:58am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 554826)
I hope I never have to work a game again with a seatbelt rule in place.

Why? What difference does it make to you? The coaches are the people who it affects.

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 03, 2008 09:59am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 554828)
Why? What difference does it make to you? The coaches are the people who it affects.

'Cause then you have to watch the coaches and enforce the seatbelt rule when we've all got better things to be watching?

AKOFL Wed Dec 03, 2008 04:08pm

If the ball is live and i don't see the coach i think that is a good thing. if he is in my view durring a play he has another thing comming. I dont concetrate on the coaches to much durring a game. If they require attention they get it, but usually a quick reminder to be seated does the trick. Thats only if he is after one of the officials. If he is after his kids I hope he straightens them out. haha

Rich Wed Dec 03, 2008 04:21pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 554902)
'Cause then you have to watch the coaches and enforce the seatbelt rule when we've all got better things to be watching?

Bingo. Most can manage to stay within a 14 foot box. Few can stay seated the whole game.

Adam Wed Dec 03, 2008 04:26pm

One thing I liked about the boys games in Iowa when I was there was the seatbelt. No coaching box was allowed. Oddly enough, they were quieter as a rule. It may have just been my perception, though; but it seemed as if the coaching box gave them the impression that they had more access to the officials.

AKOFL Wed Dec 03, 2008 04:55pm

I have noticed that in college ball the coach seems to be clear down on the base line alot. Is this a different rule for college. I also think the coaches push the envelope and see what they can get away with. Take care of business.

zm1283 Wed Dec 03, 2008 05:13pm

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Originally Posted by AKOFL (Post 555112)
I have noticed that in college ball the coach seems to be clear down on the base line alot. Is this a different rule for college. I also think the coaches push the envelope and see what they can get away with. Take care of business.

The coaches box goes all the way to the end line in college. Some courts have a coaches box line that extends from the end line.

AKOFL Wed Dec 03, 2008 05:17pm

Thanks. One day i'll know thoes college rules. Thats stilla couple of years away. But i guess u can never start to early

Nevadaref Wed Dec 03, 2008 07:27pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 554902)
'Cause then you have to watch the coaches and enforce the seatbelt rule when we've all got better things to be watching?

So am I to understand that you don't watch the bench personnel other than the HC and enforce the rules about when they are required to be seated because you have better things to do? :eek:

Back In The Saddle Wed Dec 03, 2008 10:59pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 555173)
So am I to understand that you don't watch the bench personnel other than the HC and enforce the rules about when they are required to be seated because you have better things to do? :eek:

I was answering your question to Rich, or more precisely speculating on what his answer would be. So it would be inaccurate to read anything into my answer about what I do, or don't do, in my games. ;)

Nevadaref Wed Dec 03, 2008 11:27pm

Ah, I now understand that your previous post was a posited response and not a statement. :cool:

bob jenkins Thu Dec 04, 2008 09:02am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 555173)
So am I to understand that you don't watch the bench personnel other than the HC and enforce the rules about when they are required to be seated because you have better things to do? :eek:

Even if it is a "statement", it's likely true that coaches who are supposed to be seated require more watching than other bench personnel who are supposed to be seated -- that is, coaches are more likley to violate the seatbelt rule than others are.


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