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daveg144 Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:03am

Throw in question
 
Had this discussion last week at a scrimmage. One of the officials brought up the play.

A1 is inbounding the ball underneath B's basket for a spot throw-in. B1, guarding A1, is 6-10 with extremely long arms making it difficult for A1 to make the inbounds pass. A2 runs down to the baseline to receive the pass. A1 throws the ball parallel to the the baseline, but the ball does not break the in-bounds plane (it stays out of bounds). A2, while standing with both feet legally in-bounds, reaches over the line and receives the pass.

Is this a violation? Please see rule 9.2.2 (my rule books are out in the car, so I may be giving you the wrong reference). It seems like the rule book is calling this a violation. I have never seen this called or discussed. To me, it sounds like a legal play. What do you say?

jdw3018 Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:08am

Violation. Don't have my books, but 9.2.2 may be it.

Adam Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:19am

Why does it sound like a legal play if 9-2-2 says it's a violation?

cdoug Mon Dec 01, 2008 10:45am

Sounds like a violation to me.

9-2-3 says "The thrown ball shall not be touched by a teammate of the thrower while the ball is on the out-of-bounds side of the throw-in boundary-line plane, except as in 7-5-7."

Zoochy Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:26am

It's a (Delay of game) violation and a Technical foul.
There are 4 delay of game violations.
If the ball is being passed to a teammate that is also OOB, and is not thrown onto the court, then this is one of them. Reaching over the boundary line.
Now it is also a Technical Foul for touching the ball on the OOB side of the boundary line.
Report the Warning for the violation to the scorer and the Technical foul. If team B commits any one of these 4 violations during the remainder of the game, then each violation becomes a Technical Foul
NFHS rule. Team B will shoot 2 Free Throws and Team B will get the ball for a throw-in at the division line opposite the table.

TwoDot Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:32am

This play is a violation only. The technical foul would only be on a defensive player during a throwin when the player has control of the ball physically. Once the ball is released it is not a subject to the delay provision.

OHBBREF Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:42am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zoochy (Post 554307)
It's a (Delay of game) violation and a Technical foul.
There are 4 delay of game violations.
If the ball is being passed to a teammate that is also OOB, and is not thrown onto the court, then this is one of them. Reaching over the boundary line.
Now it is also a Technical Foul for touching the ball on the OOB side of the boundary line.

please support the technical foul call on this with a rule.
If the player of the throw in team reaches accross the end line to catch a pass from the thrower ...
1) How is that player OOB
2) How is that delay of game
3) Where do you get a technical for touching the ball OOB for the teammate of the thrower?

the violation is for the ball not going directly in bounds in 9.2.2 and 9.2.3

Mark Padgett Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:53am

I think Zoochy got a little confused as to offense and defense.

jdmara Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:57am

This is a violation for not directly throwing the ball in-bounds

-Josh

vbzebra Mon Dec 01, 2008 11:59am

Quote:

Originally Posted by daveg144 (Post 554274)
Had this discussion last week at a scrimmage. One of the officials brought up the play.

A1 is inbounding the ball underneath B's basket for a spot throw-in. B1, guarding A1, is 6-10 with extremely long arms making it difficult for A1 to make the inbounds pass. A2 runs down to the baseline to receive the pass. A1 throws the ball parallel to the the baseline, but the ball does not break the in-bounds plane (it stays out of bounds). A2, while standing with both feet legally in-bounds, reaches over the line and receives the pass.

Is this a violation? Please see rule 9.2.2 (my rule books are out in the car, so I may be giving you the wrong reference). It seems like the rule book is calling this a violation. I have never seen this called or discussed. To me, it sounds like a legal play. What do you say?

I say its was a NFHS TEST QUESTION that I got WRONG :mad: I thought it was legal, but its actually a violation. Of course now that I know, I shouldn't get it wrong in a game:eek:

mj Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:09pm

Violation. Just called it on Saturday as a matter of fact. I should be good for the year now as that's about as often as I see it.

daveg144 Mon Dec 01, 2008 12:30pm

I guess since I have not seen this play before, I never considered it would be a violation. However, after reading the rule and visualizing the play, it makes sense that it is a violation.

The universe is now in balance again.


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