block or charge?
 

Hi guys

What do you think about the play 6 (time 04min30s )?

Is that a charge or a block?


thanks



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I am not sure about the play 3 either...:eek:

Play 3 -- block.
Play 6 -- player control (charge, offensive, whatever the FIBA language is.)

"We are basketball"? That seems a little presumptuous to me. So high school kids in the USA aren't playing basketball?

"Although we can see different referees it is not intended to criticize, them, our intention is to use these clips as constructive criticism."

They may be basketball, but they're not proof-readers, that's for sure. We don't mean to criticize, but we're going to criticize constructively. Okaaaaaaay.

Thanks for your help

I have downloaded the NCAA rules as well and will def read it too.

It is hard to judge if it is a foul (block) or a player control when you have a fraction of a second to do it.

I am struggling with this ( and with my english too :D)

Agree, though I don't know FIBA rules. Play 3 would be a block in a HS game, and Play 6 a PC foul.

What an annoying 1:45 introduction.

Thanks

I will have a read as well High School Basketball Rules and Official High School Basketball Rules - Basketball Rules

Wow. Those guys sure know how to flop. Did they all go to Duke?
:rolleyes:

Z

I worked a D3 college game earlier this season. We're out there observing warm-ups. One team had everybody lined up in rows facing midcourt and the captain standing at midcourt, facing the team. The captain had a ball and he would move the ball left or right or up or down. And for each movement, the whole team would respond with a defensive move. If the ball went left, they all moved left, if the ball went down, they all dove to the floor, etc.

Well, when the captain pushed the ball out in front of him, toward the team, guess what they all did? That's right, they all flopped down on their backsides.

First time I ever saw anybody PRACTICE flopping. I couldn't believe it.

Eh, I could see a travel called on play 3 but I only watched it twice. 6 is a player control foul.

As I was watching I wrote down what I would have called based on my initial reaction. (before watching the replay) Granted several of the camera angles were out of position to make the call here is what my initial reaction was while watching all the plays. NFHS rules. Some of my initial reactions changed after watching the replay.

1. Charge
2. Block
3. Block
4. Block
5. Charge
6. Charge
7. No Call (after replay switched to charge)
8. Block

Play 6 is team control all the way. Play 3 definitely had contact initiated by A1, but I think B1 exaggerated. Could pass on it.

That was my first reaction to Play 3, but after watching the replay, B1 was definitely moving forward at the time of contact. Block.

I'll look at it again.

I fixed my own post, btw:

;)

Play 3. block

play 6. block (although the player does take the brunt of the hit in the torso he does not beat the player to the spot.)

Couldn't disagree more. The defender had legal guarding position, was moving laterally/obliquely and not toward the player, and took the contact in the torso. It's the definition of a PC foul - at least according to NFHS rules...

Play 3 could be a block. I watched the feet of the B player and he obtains LGP and moves to maintain that position. However, it does appears that he sticks out his chest and abdomen prior to the contact. I can see this going either way.

And that's why it makes a good "what's the call?" video!

Play 3 Player Control - Defensive player has obtained a legal guarding position and moves in the direction the player is going. Contact is shoulder to chest, therefore, by definition Player control

Play 4 Player control
Play 5 Player control
Play 6 Player control all for the same reason

Play 7&8 There appears to be little to no contact, either no call and tell to get up or block for the acting job and talk to them about the fake or amplification of the contact. It will stop the acting.

I only watched 5 and 6.
I've got a no-call on 5.

6 isn't even close; charge all the way. B1 has LGP and is moving sideways.

I submitted too soon. I should add that "beating the player to the spot" is irrelevant when the defender has LGP, as long as he's not moving towards the opponent when contact is made.

First glance, I've got:

3. Block
5. I've got PC (sweet mechanic, too)
6. PC

travel
 

Anybody get smacked in the face with a big time travel in #1??

Nah, they played soccer. :rolleyes:

1) No call
2) No call
3) No call
4) No call
5) No call
6) Charge
7) No call
8) No call

The last time I witnessed this much flopping, Morganna was running on the field to kiss Pete Rose.

Doesn't the fact that he took the contact on the torso prove that he beat him to the spot?

3. Block
6. Charge

3 I may have nothing as it was a flop, or a block.

6 a block.

These guys are great floppers.

edit: Upon further review, 6 is a charge.

No - what if I slide under an airborne shooter and take contact on the torso?

You're absolutely right in the situation of an airborne shooter. But Play 6 was not an airborne player.

Just sounded too much like an absolute statement.

No argument from me on 6.