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kdays78 Mon Nov 24, 2008 09:32pm

Forced Lane Violation
 
Ok a coach asked me this question as a what if this last weekend (not during a game)

Scenerio:

Team A up by 3 points with 3 seconds left in game. Team B is fouled, and there shooting the bonus.

B1 makes 1st (down 2 with 3 secs) so they plan to miss it, and go for a tip back. Well since team A knows this they step in the lane to cause a lane violation. A delayed signal is given, and the shot is missed so they get another. This keeps happening over and over until B1 finally makes it, or it just keeps going frustating the officals, and fans beond belief..

Can a delay of game be called? Can anything be illegal about this?

IS there a rule to cite on this?


Thanks for your help

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 24, 2008 09:35pm

It's deja vu all over again. :rolleyes:

Juulie Downs Mon Nov 24, 2008 09:54pm

We've discussed this before, I think. I can't remember if there's a case play, but I know you can call a T for unsportsmanlike or for outside the intent of the rules or something. Hmmmm... I suppose I"d better go look it up...

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:57pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Juulie Downs (Post 552924)
We've discussed this before, I think.

Yeah, Juulie, about 10 hours ago in a post down below. :)

JugglingReferee Mon Nov 24, 2008 11:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 552921)
It's deja vu all over again. :rolleyes:

It's déjà vu, or déjà vu all over again, which is sort of like (déjà vu)², isn't it?

mbyron Tue Nov 25, 2008 07:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 552943)
Yeah, Juulie, about 10 hours ago in a post down below. :)

Ugh, sounds painful.

Adam Tue Nov 25, 2008 07:56am

I think I'm leaning towards ignoring the violation unless it puts the defense into a rebounding advantage. In that case, warn after a couple, then T if they do it again.

refnrev Wed Nov 26, 2008 04:56pm

I've got a yellow card for persistent infringement....oops, wrong sport!:D

tjones1 Thu Nov 27, 2008 12:50pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 553566)
I've got a yellow card for persistent infringement....oops, wrong sport!:D

I can narrow it down to two sports: soccer or volleyball. Just don't know which one it applies to... my guess is the former.

RCBSports Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:48am

Quote:

Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 553566)
I've got a yellow card for persistent infringement....oops, wrong sport!:D

lol, I was thinking the same thing. But yea, you can't really ignore it because they are going to keep doing it until they get the rebound. And if you don't call it, then the coach is going to go crazy saying we had a violation. So I dunno.

If you can tell they are intentionally doing it, give a warning to the coach, saying the next one will be charged with delay of game; which results in a technical, as well as the remaining shot, without anyone able to cause a violation. I will look this one up and ask around to a few of the college refs. Great question though!!!

-Lucas

APG Fri Nov 28, 2008 10:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCBSports (Post 553774)

If you can tell they are intentionally doing it, give a warning to the coach, saying the next one will be charged with delay of game; which results in a technical,

-Lucas

I believe by rule, you can only call a delay of game warning for one of four situations:

1. Throw-in boundary plane violations
2. After a made basket
3. Huddling during the free throw/contact with free throw shooter
4. Failure to court ready after a timeout

Adam Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by RCBSports (Post 553774)
lol, I was thinking the same thing. But yea, you can't really ignore it because they are going to keep doing it until they get the rebound. And if you don't call it, then the coach is going to go crazy saying we had a violation. So I dunno.

If you can tell they are intentionally doing it, give a warning to the coach, saying the next one will be charged with delay of game; which results in a technical, as well as the remaining shot, without anyone able to cause a violation. I will look this one up and ask around to a few of the college refs. Great question though!!!

-Lucas

Do not threaten a delay of game warning.

If B1 is just putting his foot into the lane and not giving himself an advantage; ignore it.

If B1 is getting all the way into the lane, thus giving himself an advantage, warn the coach after the second one. Don't threaten a delay of game warning, you can't do it by rule. By rule, you can, however, issue a Technical foul. So, in this situation; call the first violation. Call the 2nd violation and warn the coach. The third violation earns a technical foul and you won't have to worry about it anymore.

BillyMac Fri Nov 28, 2008 12:53pm

Are These The Correct Citations ???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 553795)
By rule, you can, however, issue a Technical foul.

10-1-8: A team shall not commit an unsporting foul.
4-19-14: An unsporting foul is a non contact technical foul which consists of unfair, unethical, dishonorable conduct or any behavior not in accordance with the spirit of fair play.

refnrev Fri Nov 28, 2008 04:30pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 553663)
I can narrow it down to two sports: soccer or volleyball. Just don't know which one it applies to... my guess is the former.

______
You guess correctly, you future "world" footballer, you.:D


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