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Coltdoggs Mon Nov 24, 2008 03:21pm

Baseline Throw In Hits Net...
 
I know that if the throw in hits the backside of the backboard, that is OOB.

Had a throw in yesterday that hit the net....I let it go thinking that it was ok but it made me wonder cause I've not seen that in 8 years of officiating.

Rich Mon Nov 24, 2008 03:24pm

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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs (Post 552857)
I know that if the throw in hits the backside of the backboard, that is OOB.

Had a throw in yesterday that hit the net....I let it go thinking that it was ok but it made me wonder cause I've not seen that in 8 years of officiating.

Really?

It's legal.

Coltdoggs Mon Nov 24, 2008 03:27pm

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 552858)
Really?

It's legal.

Yes...first time the inbound pass from baseline clipped the net in my 8 years of calling games.

M&M Guy Mon Nov 24, 2008 03:38pm

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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs (Post 552860)
Yes...first time the inbound pass from baseline clipped the net in my 8 years of calling games.

Ahh...but what is the call if the throw-in had hit the rim, and landed in-bounds, instead of the net?

Lotto Mon Nov 24, 2008 03:59pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 552862)
Ahh...but what is the call if the throw-in had hit the rim, and landed in-bounds, instead of the net?

Also legal.

just another ref Mon Nov 24, 2008 04:04pm

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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs (Post 552857)
I know that if the throw in hits the backside of the backboard, that is OOB.

Had a throw in yesterday that hit the net....I let it go thinking that it was ok but it made me wonder cause I've not seen that in 8 years of officiating.

Why would it not be OK? Is the net OOB?:)

M&M Guy Mon Nov 24, 2008 04:08pm

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Originally Posted by Lotto (Post 552866)
Also legal.

Ok, but what if the ball hit the rim, then touched the net (from the inside), continued through the basket, and landed in-bounds?

just another ref Mon Nov 24, 2008 04:16pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 552869)
Ok, but what if the ball hit the rim, then touched the net (from the inside), continued through the basket, and landed in-bounds?


one word: impossible

M&M Guy Mon Nov 24, 2008 04:21pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 552870)
one word: impossible

I actually see that happen many times during a game, don't you? (Except for the throw-in part...)

just another ref Mon Nov 24, 2008 04:29pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 552871)
I actually see that happen many times during a game, don't you? (Except for the throw-in part...)


I was actually picturing the ball entering the basket from the bottom. I have called this violation once in 20+ years.

M&M Guy Mon Nov 24, 2008 04:41pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 552873)
I was actually picturing the ball entering the basket from the bottom.

Ah, I get you now. Perhaps I wasn't clear enough on the direction of the ball; I was picturing it hitting the rim, then falling through from above.

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Originally Posted by just another ref (Post 552873)
I have called this violation once in 20+ years.

I, too, have only called it once.

Anyway, the point of my incessant questions was to try to point out to our buddy Coltdoggs that he probably was probably thinking in the back of his mind that there's something wrong with touching the net during a throw-in, but the real violation would be if the ball goes untouched through the basket during a throw-in (9-2-7).

SamIAm Mon Nov 24, 2008 05:20pm

As long as were in the neighborhood -

What if the throw-in lodges betwixed the rim and backboard?

Adam Mon Nov 24, 2008 05:35pm

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Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 552877)
As long as were in the neighborhood -

What if the throw-in lodges betwixed the rim and backboard?

Has the thrower met his obligations in 9-2, specifically 9-2-8? :D

Camron Rust Mon Nov 24, 2008 06:16pm

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Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 552877)
As long as were in the neighborhood -

What if the throw-in lodges betwixed the rim and backboard?

Are you talking about the backboard the rim is attached to or the other backboard? :D Becasue, if it is the other backboard, that means we've got bigger problems!!!! :eek:

referee99 Mon Nov 24, 2008 08:31pm

Vocabulary
 
Just cuz I'm in a buried in the book, 'precise language' mood....

Baseline = 'End line'
Rim = 'Basket' which consists of the 'Ring' and 'Flange' and/or 'Braces'.

No offense to anyone. I just wish I could stop calling it 'the key'!!

Kelvin green Tue Nov 25, 2008 01:43am

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Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 552877)
As long as were in the neighborhood -

What if the throw-in lodges betwixed the rim and backboard?

Violation!

Kelvin green Tue Nov 25, 2008 01:50am

Here is a fundamental I would use. If it aint OOB then it must be in bounds.

The only times ball is OOB (see 7-1-2) touches player who is OOB, touches person, floor, or object on or outside boundary, the supports or back of backboard, the ceiling, overhead equipment, or supports, or passing over a rectangle backboard...

It's not one of these, it must be in and legal.

JugglingReferee Tue Nov 25, 2008 02:03am

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 552907)
Just cuz I'm in a buried in the book, 'precise language' mood....

Baseline = 'End line'
Rim = 'Basket' which consists of the 'Ring' and 'Flange' and/or 'Braces'.

No offense to anyone. I just wish I could stop calling it 'the key'!!

Ya, well in a Senior Boys (V age) game the other day, a player asked me if there is a neutral zone under the basket. I immediately knew he meant the RA as in the NBA. You could imagine the look on my face. I wish I could call a T for that. The simple fact that there are no semi-circles on the court should have been his first clue.

Nevadaref Tue Nov 25, 2008 02:24am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 552967)
Ya, well in a Senior Boys (V age) game the other day, a player asked me if there is a neutral zone under the basket. I immediately knew he meant the RA as in the NBA. You could imagine the look on my face. I wish I could call a T for that. The simple fact that there are no semi-circles on the court should have been his first clue.

Summer AAU game:
Called a PC on a play in which the defender was standing near the basket.
As I report the coach complains about the defender not being allowed to be down there, blah, blah, blah...
So before we administered the throw-in, I told the coach that I would go check for him. I walked out in the lane and looked around on the floor for a bit, then came back near the table and loudly said, "No, coach, it doesn't look like he was in the circle." :D

JugglingReferee Tue Nov 25, 2008 03:14am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 552970)
Summer AAU game:
Called a PC on a play in which the defender was standing near the basket.
As I report the coach complains about the defender not being allowed to be down there, blah, blah, blah...
So before we administered the FTs, I told the coach that I would go check for him. I walked out in the lane and looked around on the floor for a bit, then came back near the table and loudly said, "No, coach, it doesn't look like he was in the circle." :D

I would **love** to try that. I just might do it this year, too. :)

Adam Tue Nov 25, 2008 07:52am

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Originally Posted by Kelvin green (Post 552966)
Here is a fundamental I would use. If it aint OOB then it must be in bounds.

The only times ball is OOB (see 7-1-2) touches player who is OOB, touches person, floor, or object on or outside boundary, the supports or back of backboard, the ceiling, overhead equipment, or supports, or passing over a rectangle backboard...

It's not one of these, it must be in and legal.

Not quite the case on a throwin, but the OP doesn't break any specific throwin rules, either.

Coltdoggs Tue Nov 25, 2008 09:13am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref (Post 552970)
Summer AAU game:
Called a PC on a play in which the defender was standing near the basket.
As I report the coach complains about the defender not being allowed to be down there, blah, blah, blah...
So before we administered the FTs, I told the coach that I would go check for him. I walked out in the lane and looked around on the floor for a bit, then came back near the table and loudly said, "No, coach, it doesn't look like he was in the circle." :D

Reminds me of a buddy who does baseball and told me this story...coach was giving his plate umpire partner some lip from the 1st base coaching box about the strikezone when his team was up to bat. He stopped the game, took off his mask...walked to the 1st base coach box, put on his mask and said "PLAY BALL". Coach asked what he was doing....he said "PLAY BALL"....Next pitch was outside...."STRIKE". Looked at the coach and said "Well, I guess the view down here is not as good as you claim" :p

referee99 Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:19pm

Ouch.
 
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Originally Posted by Coltdoggs (Post 553007)
Reminds me of a buddy who does baseball and told me this story...coach was giving his plate umpire partner some lip from the 1st base coaching box about the strikezone when his team was up to bat. He stopped the game, took off his mask...walked to the 1st base coach box, put on his mask and said "PLAY BALL". Coach asked what he was doing....he said "PLAY BALL"....Next pitch was outside...."STRIKE". Looked at the coach and said "Well, I guess the view down here is not as good as you claim" :p

That stuck me in my professionalism nerve.

mbyron Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:20pm

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Originally Posted by referee99 (Post 553093)
That stuck me in my professionalism nerve.

Yeah-huh. I hope it's merely somebody's wishful thinking. :eek:

WestfordRef Tue Nov 25, 2008 12:28pm

Last year at the end of a game, close score, I had a player (after a made basket) on the throw in hit the bottom of the backboard, bounced forward in play directly into the arms of the defender, who put it in. The fans went nuts...and then of course doesn't the inbounding player again do exactly the same thing...another basket.

refnrev Wed Nov 26, 2008 05:00pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamIAm (Post 552877)
As long as were in the neighborhood -

What if the throw-in lodges betwixed the rim and backboard?

___________________
Dude,
I think you need help!:)

SmokeEater Thu Nov 27, 2008 08:44am

Quote:

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 552967)
Ya, well in a Senior Boys (V age) game the other day, a player asked me if there is a neutral zone under the basket. I immediately knew he meant the RA as in the NBA. You could imagine the look on my face. I wish I could call a T for that. The simple fact that there are no semi-circles on the court should have been his first clue.

Just wait untill 2010 Juggler then we will have that.

BillyMac Thu Nov 27, 2008 03:45pm

Chalton Heston, Overacting, As Usual ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by SmokeEater (Post 553627)
Just wait untill 2010 Juggler then we will have that.

"We finally really did it. You Maniacs! Ah, damn you! God damn you all to hell!"

Oz Referee Thu Nov 27, 2008 06:59pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs (Post 553007)
Reminds me of a buddy who does baseball and told me this story...coach was giving his plate umpire partner some lip from the 1st base coaching box about the strikezone when his team was up to bat. He stopped the game, took off his mask...walked to the 1st base coach box, put on his mask and said "PLAY BALL". Coach asked what he was doing....he said "PLAY BALL"....Next pitch was outside...."STRIKE". Looked at the coach and said "Well, I guess the view down here is not as good as you claim" :p

Many years ago my partner did the same thing to a coach in a basketball game. He had been b!tching all game (the coach) and so my partner sat next to him on the team bench. VERY funny :D


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