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MidMadness Mon Nov 24, 2008 07:39am

A new one on me yesteday...
 
Happened yesterday, HS wreck ball...I am lead, shot goes up, caroms off the rim right to my partner who is at 3 point line, and not sure why, but he catches the ball.!!!!! Everyone stops for a second...looks at him.....and then he drops the ball to the ground and we play on. Should I have blown it dead and gone to the arrow?? I was dumbfounded.

I would have moved, but he is kind of new and he said his instinct was to catch it from all the years of playing. I suggested he try to work on that one pronto....lol

mick Mon Nov 24, 2008 08:04am

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Originally Posted by MidMadness (Post 552727)
Happened yesterday, HS wreck ball...I am lead, shot goes up, caroms off the rim right to my partner who is at 3 point line, and not sure why, but he catches the ball.!!!!! Everyone stops for a second...looks at him.....and then he drops the ball to the ground and we play on. Should I have blown it dead and gone to the arrow?? I was dumbfounded.

I would have moved, but he is kind of new and he said his instinct was to catch it from all the years of playing. I suggested he try to work on that one pronto....lol

:)
Going to the arrow makes sense to me.

JugglingReferee Mon Nov 24, 2008 08:19am

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Originally Posted by MidMadness (Post 552727)
Happened yesterday, HS wreck ball...I am lead, shot goes up, caroms off the rim right to my partner who is at 3 point line, and not sure why, but he catches the ball.!!!!! Everyone stops for a second...looks at him.....and then he drops the ball to the ground and we play on. Should I have blown it dead and gone to the arrow?? I was dumbfounded.

I would have moved, but he is kind of new and he said his instinct was to catch it from all the years of playing. I suggested he try to work on that one pronto....lol

Pick the two players who are closest to him when he caught the ball, and on opposite teams, and have a mid-court jump ball between them at for possession. :)

In all seriousness, using the arrow is the way to go once the official gains possession. It's the only fair way to go, I think.

CoachP Mon Nov 24, 2008 08:31am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 552735)
Pick the two players who are closest to him when he caught the ball, and on opposite teams, and have a mid-court jump ball between them at for possession. :)

In all seriousness, using the arrow is the way to go once the official gains possession. It's the only fair way to go, I think.

What if the 2 players were A1 and A2?:D

Too funny, OP!

JugglingReferee Mon Nov 24, 2008 08:38am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 552735)
Pick the two players who are closest to him when he caught the ball, and on opposite teams, and have a mid-court jump ball between them at for possession. :)

In all seriousness, using the arrow is the way to go once the official gains possession. It's the only fair way to go, I think.

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Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 552736)
What if the 2 players were A1 and A2?:D

Too funny, OP!

I thought of that! :p

CoachP Mon Nov 24, 2008 08:54am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee (Post 552737)
I thought of that! :p

Ha, missed it! No more playing on the net while trying to work for me today!

zeedonk Mon Nov 24, 2008 09:34am

I've seen it twice...
 
I've had two partners catch a ball passed directly to him and deflected right to him, both as sheer reflex actions. One partner killed the play and gave a throw in to the team last in control. One killed it and went to the AP arrow.

During the first (8th grade), we were being observed, and the observer told partner to drop the ball, move away and continue play because we are part of the court, and we wouldn't blow the whistle if the ball bounced off of us...

During the second, (adult) I gave my .02 based on the first, and partner went with the AP b/c he felt it was unfair to return possession when there was no possession upon his catch.... nobody argued the decision. I didn't press it any further.

I like the "drop it and play on" theory, unless I blow the whistle. Then I think that unless one team would clearly have regained possession, we go to the arrow via inadvertent whistle.

Z

jdw3018 Mon Nov 24, 2008 09:37am

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Originally Posted by zeedonk (Post 552744)
I've had two partners catch a ball passed directly to him and deflected right to him, both as sheer reflex actions. One partner killed the play and gave a throw in to the team last in control. One killed it and went to the AP arrow.

During the first (8th grade), we were being observed, and the observer told partner to drop the ball, move away and continue play because we are part of the court, and we wouldn't blow the whistle if the ball bounced off of us...

During the second, (adult) I gave my .02 based on the first, and partner went with the AP b/c he felt it was unfair to return possession when there was no possession upon his catch.... nobody argued the decision. I didn't press it any further.

I like the "drop it and play on" theory, unless I blow the whistle. Then I think that unless one team would clearly have regained possession, we go to the arrow via inadvertent whistle.

Z

It's really simple. Either drop it and play on, or, if you go to the whistle, you have to go to POI. That means if there was team control that team gets a throw-in. If there was no team control, go with an AP throw-in.

There's no rules support at all for "unless one team would clearly have regained possession..."

Ch1town Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:04am

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Originally Posted by zeedonk (Post 552744)
I've had two partners catch a ball passed directly to him and deflected right to him, both as sheer reflex actions.

No disrespect but I'd like to think inexperience is more of a factor than reflex. See below

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Originally Posted by zeedonk (Post 552744)
During the first (8th grade)...

During the second, (adult)...

Try to avoid contacting or being contacted by live balls.

mick Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:08am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 552752)
Try to avoid contacting or being contacted by live balls.

Ha!
I am willing to bet both officials already understand that procedure.

Ch1town Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:16am

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 552753)
Ha!
I am willing to bet both officials already understand that procedure.

Originally Posted by zeedonk
During the first (8th grade)...

During the second, (adult)...

Maybe the quality, rules knowledge & experience level of officials that work those levels are different in your area than here :rolleyes:

mick Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:20am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 552754)
Originally Posted by zeedonk
During the first (8th grade)...

During the second, (adult)...

Maybe the quality, rules knowledge & experience level of officials that work those levels are different in your area than here :rolleyes:

Could be.
Friday night I worked a 7th and 8th grade boys' double with a DII official.

Ch1town Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:36am

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 552755)
Could be.
Friday night I worked a 7th and 8th grade boys' double with a DII official.

Excellent, all levels deserve quality officials!! But I'm sure you & your partner were an exception to what the MS generally gets. You know, seeing how HS & DII are barely underway, if at all.
I highly doubt that particular crew has many more MS assignments on their calendar...

I was just saying who catches a live ball?

Rich Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:41am

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Originally Posted by Ch1town (Post 552758)
Excellent, all levels deserve quality officials!! But I'm sure you & your partner were an exception to what the MS generally gets. You know, seeing how HS & DII are barely underway, if at all.
I highly doubt that particular crew has many more MS assignments on their calendar...

I was just saying who catches a live ball?

Well, I have as the lead standing beyond the baseline :)

Ch1town Mon Nov 24, 2008 10:51am

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Originally Posted by RichMSN (Post 552759)
Well, I have as the lead standing beyond the baseline :)

Cool... to each his/her own. I tend to let those hit the cheerleaders :D


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