Duke/So IL intentional Foul call

[kdays78]

About 6:40 left in game Duke get's a steal fastbreak dunk and the kid is fouled by So. IL. No call is made then the Duke player flies to the floor and the officail blows whistle to stop for injury, but then they call an intentional foul. I have seen a delayed call but not that delayed.

I don't even think it was intentional I mean he went up right behind the Duke player going for the ball.

Any thoughts?

[grunewar]

I saw it too. Looked like the L wasn't going to make a call at all and I believe the T came in and the call turned into an intentional foul.

Interesting comments by our bud Bob Knight in the booth too - he said it was not intentional.

The fall was very similar to what happened to the NC player who is now out with the broken bones in his hand......the Dukey went down awkward and hard but looks to be ok.

PS - Coach K went nuts......

[Nevadaref]

The Lead had no whistle. The Center had nothing.
The TRAIL came running in from beyond the division line sounding his whistle several times and made the intentional foul call.

[scat03]

you see, thats the power the best coach in the country has on the game. the lead official was letting it go and stopping the game for an injury and never say the reaction of coach K. the trail say the no call and say coach K go nuts on the no call. he then came charging in and told the lead , hey we better get together and call a T or intentional or he will have our heads. thats the power of coach K.

[kdays78]

That is so sad, but oh so true the power of a powerful coach! There should have been a foul as there was contact a simple "and 1" would have done the foul justice.

I am guessing that play will be discussed in the locker room after the game.

[JerzeeRef]

Maybe the L and C were blocked or screened ? Could the trail have been the more experienced of the crew and decided to take charge, plus he had a better angel of the push into the basket support.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but in HS hard fouls like this play are to be considered intentional.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by JerzeeRef

Correct me if I'm wrong, but in HS hard fouls like this play are to be considered intentional.

Ok.

4-19-3
Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act.

[tjones1]

I thought it was a clean play. Then again, I attend Southern so I might be biased.

[w_sohl]

Originally Posted by tjones1

I thought it was a clean play. Then again, I attend Southern so I might be biased.

for Coach Painter. I'm a Boilermaker, graduated 05/98. Wasn't to sure about him, but damn can that guy recruit so far.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Ok.

4-19-3
Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act.

High school rule:
4-19-3 "A foul shall also be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent."

The very next sentence after your quote.

Not sure if NCAA has the same wording.

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

High school rule:
4-19-3 "A foul shall also be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent."

The very next sentence after your quote.

Not sure if NCAA has the same wording.

Right, but I wouldn't consider the description of a "hard foul" excessive contact.

[dahoopref]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

High school rule:
4-19-3 "A foul shall also be ruled intentional if while playing the ball a player causes excessive contact with an opponent."

The very next sentence after your quote.

Not sure if NCAA has the same wording.

I didn't see the play but I hope it be YouTube to watch.

NCAA Rulebook Pg 146

Section 4. Intentional Personal Fouling
Guidelines for calling the intentional personal foul are:

f. It is an intentional personal foul when, while playing the ball, a player
causes excessive contact with an opponent.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by tjones1

Ok.

4-19-3
Intentional fouls may or may not be premeditated and are not based solely on the severity of the act.

That implies that it can be, at least in part, based on the severity of the act.

[Scrapper1]

According to ESPN.com: Officials: Jamie Luckie ,Roger Ayers ,Dwayne Gladden

I've heard of Jamie Luckie, and I think Ayers is the '70s radical that Obama hangs around with, but I don't know who Gladden is.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by dahoopref

The L was beaten down court from the sudden steal. In this case, I would've had just stopped a little below the FT line extended and officiated the play from there...

Even then he may not have seen the contact. He still would have been looking through the back of the defender.

Off-topic: I was searching for an image of the play and found the following...check-out the price on here. And remember "No Refunds":