legal or illegal dribble

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

When was the first time that the player threw, pushed or batted the ball to the floor?

Placing the ball on the floor is not a dribble, IMHO.

Doesn't A1 releasing the ball voluntarily have to be a pass, try, or dribble?

I guess A1 could also hand-off the ball, and I know of no definition of that.

What else is there?

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by SamIAm

I guess A1 could also hand-off the ball, and I know of no definition of that.

But you do know the definition of a dribble. Does placing the ball on the floor meet that definition?

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

But you do know the definition of a dribble. Does placing the ball on the floor meet that definition?

The dribble may be started by pushing, throwing or batting the ball to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted.

The ball went to the floor. Yes.
Hands on the ball moving toward the release point, hands removed from the ball. Yes.

Granted, the forced applied on the ball was minimal.

How softly can you throw a ball?

[Adam]

Sam asks a good question; can a dribble start without pushing, forcing, or batting?

Sure. A1 is holding the ball. He then "lets" it drop to the floor and catches it with both hands. He proceeds to dribble the ball. Violation?

[ajs8207]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sam asks a good question; can a dribble start without pushing, forcing, or batting?

Sure. A1 is holding the ball. He then "lets" it drop to the floor and catches it with both hands. He proceeds to dribble the ball. Violation?

Under the traveling definition, I guess it's not. However, could we really not call that a travel, or at least something under 2-3?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sam asks a good question; can a dribble start without pushing, forcing, or batting?

Sure. A1 is holding the ball. He then "lets" it drop to the floor and catches it with both hands. He proceeds to dribble the ball. Violation?

Originally Posted by ajs8207

Under the traveling definition, I guess it's not. However, could we really not call that a travel, or at least something under 2-3?

No, it's not a travel violation. Let's assume my hypothetical player never moved his feet. Do you have a dribbling violation?

I think it's obviously a violation, but the ball was never pushed, batted, or forced to the floor (unless gravity counts, but that would include the OP's player setting the ball on the floor.)

[Back In The Saddle]

This falls squarely under rule 11-1. Not a dribble. Don't go there.

[Indianaref]

Rule 4-15 Art 1,2 and 3. Placing the ball on the floor does not meet the definition of a dribble.

[SamIAm]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Rule 4-15 Art 1,2 and 3. Placing the ball on the floor does not meet the definition of a dribble.

The dribble may be started by pushing, throwing or batting the ball to the floor before the pivot foot is lifted.

Standing A1, holds the ball in front of him with his hands on the side of the ball, moves both hands away from the ball. The ball drops to the floor. The ball was neither pushed, thrown, or batted to the floor. A1, then moves both feet and bats the ball to the floor. Has A1 travelled?

In the original sitch would you call travel if A1 moved his feet before picking up the ball?