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wrincker Sun Nov 09, 2008 03:11pm

Part 1 Test
 
Does anyone ever post the part one test answers on this site??

tjones1 Sun Nov 09, 2008 03:14pm

Yes...

True or false.

What did you get?

wrincker Sun Nov 09, 2008 03:15pm

I guessed! Even numbers were true and odd numbers were false!

tjones1 Sun Nov 09, 2008 03:22pm

Hmmm, sounds like you fell right into their trap.

The answers aren't posted but if you have a question we will try to help you understand it.

archangel Sun Nov 09, 2008 08:12pm

You can find Parts III and IV if you do a search....

CoachP Mon Nov 10, 2008 07:50am

Where does one find these tests? I'd love to try it.

Or do you have to log in as an official?

M&M Guy Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:21am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549501)
Where does one find these tests? I'd love to try it.

Or do you have to log in as an official?

Coach - the tests are prepared by the National Federation, and are usually distributed through their member state and/or local associations. For example, in Illinois we receive our Part I test in the mail from the IHSA along with our rule and case books, and we have to finish it (open book) by Nov. 16 to retain our license. Officials going for promotion then have to take the Part II test on a certain date (closed book). Other states may use the tests differently. I would think if you asked a local association, or even an official you know, that they would be able to supply you with a copy of the test.

I don't know if you can log on to the NFHS site if you are a member and find a copy there; maybe someone else can chime in with that info?

tjones1 Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:03am

Coach...

If you would like to try...I'll scan it and send it to you.

CoachP Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:40am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 549547)
Coach...

If you would like to try...I'll scan it and send it to you.

[email protected]

Thanks!

tjones1 Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:56am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549563)

Sent.

refnrev Mon Nov 10, 2008 02:19pm

So Tanner, what did he make on the test?

refnrev Mon Nov 10, 2008 02:29pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrincker (Post 549390)
Does anyone ever post the part one test answers on this site??

____________

If you want to start WWIII and get bombed repeatedly on the forum, ask for the answers. I don't mean ask to send yours to someone and have them check them after you've completed them, or ask about specific questions.... I mean just straight out ask for the answers. You probably won't like the responses that come in.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 10, 2008 02:44pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549501)
Where does one find these tests? I'd love to try it.

Coach - here's the short test we're giving to the coaches in our local kids rec league this year. We use NF rules. See how you do on this. Answers are True or False. As you can tell, these were chosen as some of the most misunderstood especially by kids rec coaches.

1) ON AN INBOUND PLAY, IF THE INBOUNDER MOVES MORE THAN THREE FEET BACKWARDS BEFORE INBOUNDING, IT’S A VIOLATION
2) A PLAYER CANNOT BEGIN A LEGAL DRIBBLE BY PUSHING THE BALL TO THE FLOOR WITH BOTH HANDS
3) PLAYERS MAY PLAY WITH EARRINGS AS LONG AS THEY ARE COVERED TIGHTLY WITH MASKING TAPE
4) WHEN INBOUNDING IN THE FRONT COURT, IT IS A VIOLATION TO INBOUND THE BALL TO A PLAYER IN THE BACK COURT
5) IF A PLAYER DIVES FOR A LOOSE BALL, GRABS THE BALL AND HIS MOMENTUM CAUSES HIM TO SLIDE, IT IS A TRAVELING VIOLATION
6) IF AN INBOUNDER IS HOLDING THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS AND A DEFENDER REACHES ACROSS THE LINE AND PUTS BOTH HANDS ON THE BALL, IT IS A HELD BALL
7) IF A PLAYER SHOOTS AN AIR BALL, THAT PLAYER CANNOT BE THE FIRST TO TOUCH THE BALL BEFORE IT COMES DOWN AND HITS THE FLOOR
8) IF A PLAYER IS HOLDING THE BALL AND A DEFENDER HITS THE BALL HANDLERS HAND CAUSING THE BALL TO BECOME LOOSE, IT IS A PERSONAL FOUL
9) IF A PLAYER REACHES OVER ANOTHER PLAYER’S BACK TO GRAB THE BALL, IT IS A PERSONAL FOUL
10) IF A PLAYER IS DRIBBLING AND BOUNCES THE BALL OFF THEIR FOOT, THEY CANNOT RUN AND RECOVER THE LOOSE BALL

CoachP Mon Nov 10, 2008 02:49pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 549626)
Coach - here's the short test we're giving to the coaches in our local kids rec league this year. We use NF rules. See how you do on this. Answers are True or False. As you can tell, these were chosen as some of the most misunderstood especially by kids rec coaches.

1) ON AN INBOUND PLAY, IF THE INBOUNDER MOVES MORE THAN THREE FEET BACKWARDS BEFORE INBOUNDING, IT’S A VIOLATION
2) A PLAYER CANNOT BEGIN A LEGAL DRIBBLE BY PUSHING THE BALL TO THE FLOOR WITH BOTH HANDS
3) PLAYERS MAY PLAY WITH EARRINGS AS LONG AS THEY ARE COVERED TIGHTLY WITH MASKING TAPE
4) WHEN INBOUNDING IN THE FRONT COURT, IT IS A VIOLATION TO INBOUND THE BALL TO A PLAYER IN THE BACK COURT
5) IF A PLAYER DIVES FOR A LOOSE BALL, GRABS THE BALL AND HIS MOMENTUM CAUSES HIM TO SLIDE, IT IS A TRAVELING VIOLATION
6) IF AN INBOUNDER IS HOLDING THE BALL OUT OF BOUNDS AND A DEFENDER REACHES ACROSS THE LINE AND PUTS BOTH HANDS ON THE BALL, IT IS A HELD BALL
7) IF A PLAYER SHOOTS AN AIR BALL, THAT PLAYER CANNOT BE THE FIRST TO TOUCH THE BALL BEFORE IT COMES DOWN AND HITS THE FLOOR
8) IF A PLAYER IS HOLDING THE BALL AND A DEFENDER HITS THE BALL HANDLERS HAND CAUSING THE BALL TO BECOME LOOSE, IT IS A PERSONAL FOUL
9) IF A PLAYER REACHES OVER ANOTHER PLAYER’S BACK TO GRAB THE BALL, IT IS A PERSONAL FOUL
10) IF A PLAYER IS DRIBBLING AND BOUNCES THE BALL OFF THEIR FOOT, THEY CANNOT RUN AND RECOVER THE LOOSE BALL


Tricky Mark. I got false on 'em all.


And I just sent TJONES my answers...hope I did OK, kinda flew thru them here at work..and even worse....I only have an old 03-04 rule book here and no case book. They do try to get you guys on the "wordings" don't they?

Tjones, feel free to blurt out my score here...I view this site more than my AOL account at work.

tjones1 Mon Nov 10, 2008 03:36pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549628)
Tricky Mark. I got false on 'em all.


And I just sent TJONES my answers...hope I did OK, kinda flew thru them here at work..and even worse....I only have an old 03-04 rule book here and no case book. They do try to get you guys on the "wordings" don't they?

Tjones, feel free to blurt out my score here...I view this site more than my AOL account at work.


Coach...

Nice job... you got a 91.

Yes, they certainly try to trip us up on the wordings.

OHBBREF Mon Nov 10, 2008 03:58pm

math not our strong point
 
this is a ten question test -

coach got a 91 ????

I didn't see any weighted value questions on the test?

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 10, 2008 04:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 549642)
this is a ten question test -

coach got a 91 ????

I didn't see any weighted value questions on the test?

He meant he got all ten of my questions as false, and that he sent his Part 1 NF test answers to tjones1 and he got a 91 on that. You have to follow the entire thread to understand what he meant.

I can't wait to see what my coaches get on the short test. They'll be taking it on Thursday night.

jdw3018 Mon Nov 10, 2008 04:07pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 549637)
Coach...

Nice job... you got a 91.

Yes, they certainly try to trip us up on the wordings.

This has to be some sort of record for coaches, right?!? :D

Raymond Mon Nov 10, 2008 04:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 549646)
This has to be some sort of record for coaches, right?!? :D


Except for Tom Coughlin.

Mark Padgett Mon Nov 10, 2008 04:26pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 549646)
This has to be some sort of record for coaches, right?!? :D

I heard that Billy Packer got a negative metric score. :p

refnrev Mon Nov 10, 2008 05:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 549637)
Coach...

Nice job... you got a 91.

Yes, they certainly try to trip us up on the wordings.

________________

Hey, when you get in too big a hurry they do more than try!:mad:

tjones1 Mon Nov 10, 2008 10:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by refnrev (Post 549663)
________________

Hey, when you get in too big a hurry they do more than try!:mad:

It happens, Bob. You'll get'em next year! Hang in there...

CoachP Tue Nov 11, 2008 07:53am

91....91????? WootWootWootWoooooowaitaminute....I got 9 wrong? Inconceivable!

Here's hoping Tanner changes it to a 92 after he reads his email.

tjones1 Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:22am

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549740)
91....91????? WootWootWootWoooooowaitaminute....I got 9 wrong? Inconceivable!

Here's hoping Tanner changes it to a 92 after he reads his email.

:D

Alright, Coach appealed one of the questions. In a close vote, the appeal was overturned.

Officially, Coach got a 92 - again, nice job!

The answer in question was "False and true...".

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 11, 2008 11:47am

Quote:

Originally Posted by tjones1 (Post 549784)
:D

Alright, Coach appealed one of the questions. In a close vote, the appeal was overturned.

Officially, Coach got a 92 - again, nice job!

The answer in question was "False and true...".

So, if that happens in a game, what's the mechanic? :confused:

CoachP Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:04pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 549787)
So, if that happens in a game, what's the mechanic? :confused:

Easy, I grab my rule book outta my briefcase and appeal.
Then the official gives me the time out signal/mechanic.:D


What's the mechanic if a jumper touches the ball a second time after tapping it once?

falsecut Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:15pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by wrincker (Post 549390)
Does anyone ever post the part one test answers on this site??

Actually, to carry this out a little further, for the purposes of study, are the test answers ever posted online somewhere? If I wanted to see the Part II test from 2007 and the answers, is it out there?

tjones1 Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:16pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549798)
What's the mechanic if a jumper touches the ball a second time after tapping it once?

Play on.

6-3-7d

Neither jumper shall:
d. Touch the ball more than twice.

The jump ball hasn't ended yet.

6-3-8
The jump ball and the restrictions in 6-3-7 end when the touched ball contacts one of the either nonjumpers, an official, the floor, a basket or backboard.

M&M Guy Tue Nov 11, 2008 12:24pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549798)
Easy, I grab my rule book outta my briefcase and appeal.
Then the official gives me the time out signal/mechanic.:D

Ooh...wise guy. :D

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549798)
What's the mechanic if a jumper touches the ball a second time after tapping it once?

I'm hoping you mean <b>more</B> than twice, as touching it twice is not a violation? ;)

Actually, there is no set mechanic for this violation. The official with the call should step in with their hand up, palm open (to signal the violation), and perhaps verbalize the reason for the violation. I suppose to better communicate the violation, one might signal two "tips" (like the foul tip signal in baseball), but purists would say since there is no approved signal, don't give one. It is similar to the FT violation where the shooter does not hit the rim - there is no set mechanic or signal, but many officials use the "swirly" signal.

CoachP Tue Nov 11, 2008 01:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by M&M Guy (Post 549809)
Ooh...wise guy. :D


I'm hoping you mean <b>more</B> than twice, as touching it twice is not a violation? ;)

Actually, there is no set mechanic for this violation. The official with the call should step in with their hand up, palm open (to signal the violation), and perhaps verbalize the reason for the violation. I suppose to better communicate the violation, one might signal two "tips" (like the foul tip signal in baseball), but purists would say since there is no approved signal, don't give one. It is similar to the FT violation where the shooter does not hit the rim - there is no set mechanic or signal, but many officials use the "swirly" signal.

Dang, there we go with those "wordings" that thru me off.
If I get moderated for spewing out a test question so be it.

true or false?
A jumpball ends when the tapped ball touches a jumper a second time.
I answered False, but I confess, I false multiple fouled myself.

I answered False because I read the rule wrong and then told Tanner that it "could" be True because the jump ball would 'technically" end on the violation that the jumper touched it twice. But since that is NOT a violation.....I was wrong again

So basically, I got the right answer but for the wrong reason. Two wrongs DO make a right.

And I'm sticking with my 92.;)

tjones1 Tue Nov 11, 2008 01:21pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by falsecut (Post 549803)
Actually, to carry this out a little further, for the purposes of study, are the test answers ever posted online somewhere? If I wanted to see the Part II test from 2007 and the answers, is it out there?


While the current exams are ongoing, most claim for the purposes of study. However, an older exam usually isn't a problem. I've got the Part II 2007 exam if you would like it (and if I can find it ;)). I think most posters are more than willing to help out and give old material if you on are the board contributing and wanting to learn. Just my two cents.

jdmara Tue Nov 11, 2008 02:19pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by falsecut (Post 549803)
Actually, to carry this out a little further, for the purposes of study, are the test answers ever posted online somewhere? If I wanted to see the Part II test from 2007 and the answers, is it out there?

check your private messages

M&M Guy Tue Nov 11, 2008 03:08pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549818)
If I get moderated for spewing out a test question so be it.

Actually, we don't mind discussing individual questions, even if they are from the current test. What raises some hackles (and I don't know if I've ever actually seen a raised hackle) is simply posting all the answers.

Quote:

Originally Posted by CoachP (Post 549818)
I answered False because I read the rule wrong and then told Tanner that it "could" be True because the jump ball would 'technically" end on the violation that the jumper touched it twice. But since that is NOT a violation.....I was wrong again

So basically, I got the right answer but for the wrong reason. Two wrongs DO make a right.

And I'm sticking with my 92.;)

Well, I'm sure some of us would argue for a 91.5, but that's for higher powers to decide.

So, if you open up that book (instead of just waving it at the officials during the game :p), you'll see the statement you need for this question right after 6-3-7d.


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