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torez Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:38pm

Technical Fouls
 
Can anyone tell me if a referee can give back to back technical fouls to a player in a two-man refereeing system? I was told by a referee that in FIBA rules the other referee must administer the second technical foul thereby ejecting the player from the game.

Can someone please clearify this rule. As much information as possible would be awesome.

Thank you.

jdw3018 Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:39pm

There is no provision prohibiting an official giving two technicals to a player in NFHS rules.

OHBBREF Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:44pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018 (Post 548533)
There is no provision prohibiting an official giving two technicals to a player in NFHS rules.

there is no provision in Fed or NCAA as to how many technical fouls an official can give to anyone involved in a game, (said Mr. Valintine to Mr. Knight) :cool:

Fibal may be different anyone ?????

truerookie Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:47pm

You may have to look at it from this perspective. There are times where you have to "get rid" of a coach for being a knucklehead (back to back T's).

There are some who believes that your partner should give the second T.

There are some who believes it is fine for you to (take care of bizness).

No matter the approach this should be pregame with partner on how to handle the unpleasant situation if it arises.

Mark Padgett Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 548535)
there is no provision in Fed or NCAA as to how many technical fouls an official can give to anyone involved in a game, (said Mr. Valintine to Mr. Knight) :cool:

FEEBLE may be different anyone ?????

Fixed it for ya'.

OHBBREF Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:54pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 548537)
You may have to look at it from this perspective. There are times where you have to "get rid" of a coach for being a knucklehead (back to back T's).

There are some who believes that your partner should give the second T.

There are some who believes it is fine for you to (take care of bizness).

No matter the approach this should be pregame with partner on how to handle the unpleasant situation if it arises.

Oh sure bring "GAME MANAGMENT" into it!

TR is absolutely correct it is better - ALWAYS better - if the same person does not issue multiple technical fouls to the same coach or player - having said that never ever ever, let that influence the fact that the knucklehead has to go!

once a coach or player has one T, it is best that if they have to go it comes from another official, it is a perception thing, but it is not a rule as refered to in the OP.

jdw3018 Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:55pm

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Originally Posted by truerookie (Post 548537)
You may have to look at it from this perspective. There are times where you have to "get rid" of a coach for being a knucklehead (back to back T's).

There are some who believes that your partner should give the second T.

There are some who believes it is fine for you to (take care of bizness).

No matter the approach this should be pregame with partner on how to handle the unpleasant situation if it arises.

What truerookie says is true - from a game management perspective you may not want to give two Ts back-to-back.

But from a rules perspective, there is nothing preventing it.

OHBBREF Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:57pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett (Post 548539)
Fixed it for ya'.

much gratuity to you sir!

Ref_in_Alberta Tue Nov 04, 2008 05:58pm

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Originally Posted by torez (Post 548530)
Can anyone tell me if a referee can give back to back technical fouls to a player in a two-man refereeing system? I was told by a referee that in FIBA rules the other referee must administer the second technical foul thereby ejecting the player from the game.

Can someone please clearify this rule. As much information as possible would be awesome.

Thank you.

There is absolutly nothing in the FIBA mechanics manual with this regards. In fact under FIBA rules a player is allowed by rule up to 5 Technical Fouls.

Scrapper1 Tue Nov 04, 2008 06:52pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 548535)
there is no provision in Fed or NCAA as to how many technical fouls an official can give to anyone involved in a game, (said Mr. Valintine to Mr. Knight) :cool:

This is no longer true in NCAA, precisely because of that infamous exchange.

BillyMac Tue Nov 04, 2008 07:14pm

Not NFHS, nor IAABO, Official Mechanics ...
 
The following are my personal opinions, or those of my local board, and are not official NFHS, nor IAABO mechanics:

From my pregame: Technical Fouls: If I T a coach, get me away from the coach. The situation is heated and I don’t want to whack the coach back-to-back. Let’s move away from the benches. Non calling official should inform the coach that the coaching box privilege has been lost.

From a technical foul "study guide": Top Ways To Give A Technical Foul: Proceed to the reporting area, report the technical foul clearly to the table, and leave the area. Never look at a coach when you give a technical foul. Confer with your partner. If the technical foul is charged to the head coach or bench personnel, have your partner inform the coach of the loss of the coaching box. Explanations, it needed should be done by partner. Don't be reluctant to give the second technical foul if it is warranted.

Also. It may be beneficial for all parties if the calling official was kept away from the coach for a few minutes, even if it means not making a switch, or making an unneeded switch, after the administration of the technical foul penalty has been completed.

Adam Tue Nov 04, 2008 07:33pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 548562)
This is no longer true in NCAA, precisely because of that infamous exchange.

True on the total, but the limit is for totals per person, not for one official to give out.

Scrapper1 Wed Nov 05, 2008 09:11am

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Originally Posted by Snaqwells (Post 548569)
True on the total, but the limit is for totals per person, not for one official to give out.

The original comment that I responded to said that there was no NCAA provision regarding "how many technical fouls an official can give to anyone". I merely stated (correctly) that there actually IS a provision on how many technicals an official can give to a person. It's "a maximum of two".

There's no provision stating that I can't give both technicals to the same person. But there is a limit.

OHBBREF Wed Nov 05, 2008 09:35am

Okay I said what I ment not what I said???


you are correct it is two

but I can give them both!

Scrapper1 Wed Nov 05, 2008 09:36am

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 548647)
you are correct it is two

but I can give them both!

True dat!


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