double dribble or not
 

player A1 passes the ball to player A2. A2 catches the ball and has full
control of the baall in both hands. But as he/she catches the ball, A2
is off balance and places the ball on the floor (with both hands on the
ball) to catch his/her balance. A2 then stands up and dribbles.

Is this double dribble or not?

Not a double dribble.

No illegal dribble.

Dbl dribble
 

Why not! please explain. or tell me where to look in the rules book.

There used to be a note in the "Dribble" definition, but that note has been moved to the casebook. It is in 4.15 COMMENT: "It is a dribble when a player stands still and bounces the ball. It is not a dribble when a player stands still and holds the ball and touches it to the floor once or more than once."

dbl dribble
 

Thanks for your answers. I am new to this sight and found my answers from some of the posted back threads on this same subject.

It is not a dbl dribble according to rule 4-15-4.

What if the player was OOB for a throw in and did the same thing??

As I posted above, stripes, it is no longer part of rule 4-15. If you want to go and actually read it yourself, you won't see it there. You'll have to go to the casebook.

It's not illegal because I can't find a rule that makes it illegal. Look in the book and find the rule that governs illegal dribbles. This player does nothing illegal; assuming he hasn't moved his pivot foot.

If he puts the ball down, moves, then picks it up again; it's a travel. But touching the ball to the floor is not considered a dribble.

You mean the player simply touched the ball to the ground? Perfectly legal, unless he touches it to the inbounds part of the court (and some people would argue that even that would be legal). Remember that the dribble rules are not in effect during a throw-in. So the thrower-in can dribble, catch the ball, dribble again as many times as he wants, within 5 seconds.

Where does the ball touch the floor? In bounds or out of bounds?

If the ball touches in bounds, it's a throwin violation.
If it touches out of bounds, keep counting.

Help me understand how this is a travel. Are you presuming that A1 has already used their dribble?

Thanks, my bad. For some reason, I was thinking of the play where the player is on the floor (on a knee, for example), sets the ball down, stands up, and is the first to touch the ball. 4-44-5B, 4.44.5B.

Correct.
Touching it to the floor inbounds constitutes carrying the ball onto the court. That's a violation per 9-2-5.

Thanks, I was starting to question my reading comprehension.

Yep, that one oddball exception to the rule, described in the case play, is the only time I know of that a player can travel without "holding the ball." It is only traveling because they said so.

I would consider setting the ball on the floor ("pushes the ball to the floor") while standing, moving the feet, then picking the ball back up to be a dribble as soon as the player picks up the ball again. However, if the player lifted his pivot foot before he placed the ball on the floor, he has traveled.

I thought maybe I had missed something.

BITS,
Hopefully you can help me out with this -

I have used the following as a rule of thumb -
There is only one way to travel without the ball: A1 having secured the ball while laying or setting on the floor (not standing), then releases the ball, stands up, then picks up the ball, all this with no other players touching the ball.

But A.R. 200 Includes another possibility in sitch 1.
Is FED and NCAA in agreement?

If you toss the ball up into the air and run and catch it without it hitting the floor, you have also traveled. (is that what AR200 says?)

A.R. 200 paraphrased -
A1, after
1) receiving a pass
2) ending his/her dribble
jumps to attempt a try and voluntarily throws the ball to the playing court and is the first to touch the ball.
Ruling
1) traveling violation as A1 lifted their pivot foot before beginning a dribble.
2) double dribble as A1's throwing of the ball constituted the start of a dribble.

I guess my rule of thumb holds true as the pivot foot movement occured with A1 in possession of the ball.

Doesn't fit the question then since A1 was holding the ball at the time of the travel (lifting the pivot foot before releasing the dribble).