Situation starting season-Dunk in warmups

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by jritchie

Team upset with New coach because of things he has changed this year! Decided to get back at him.

During warmups of first game at 15 minute mark when officials come on floor, first player rips off a 360 and makes sure the officials sees him. First technical given. Next player, throws himself a lob and catches it and does a nice reverse dunk and hangs on the rim to make sure he is seen also. And of course it wouldn't be a charm if they didn't have the 3rd player stand at the free throw line and bounce it between his legs off the backboard and go get it and jam it through. The officials call all 3 Technicals Fouls, which would be 3 indirects on the coach correct???? EJECTION, $50 FINE IN KENTUCKY, AND 1 GAME SUSPENSION THE NEXT GAME. Of course the kids have long talk afterwards with coach about ironing out some of the problems, but that is another story!

Just wondering if this was the appropriate call?

Did this player get ejected with 2 T's? Dunking a dead ball and hanging on the rim.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Did this player get ejected with 2 T's? Dunking a dead ball and hanging on the rim.

Look at case play 10.3.3 Situation E. Only one T is issued.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Look at case play 10.3.3 Situation E. Only one T is issued.

This case play says the penalty for "DUNKING OR GRASPING", but if the player does both it would have to be 2 techs, I would have to agree with badnewsref on this one!

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by jritchie

This case play says the penalty for "DUNKING OR GRASPING", but if the player does both it would have to be 2 techs, I would have to agree with badnewsref on this one!

It does not. I suggest you go back and re-read the case play.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Look at case play 10.3.3 Situation E. Only one T is issued.

Don't have my NFHS books with me at the moment. Wasn't there an Interp or Case Play in which a player dunks the ball and hangs on the rim following the horn to end a quarter and the resolution was to assess 2 T's?

[tjones1]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Don't have my NFHS books with me at the moment. Wasn't there an Interp or Case Play in which a player dunks the ball and hangs on the rim following the horn to end a quarter and the resolution was to assess 2 T's?

No, only one technical foul is issued for dunking a dead ball.

10.3.3 Situation E

[rwest]

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Look at case play 10.3.3 Situation E. Only one T is issued.

Each player is assessed a technical foul and the coach is assessed an indirect T for dunk. So, he has 3 indirects and is gone!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Did this player get ejected with 2 T's? Dunking a dead ball and hanging on the rim.

Originally Posted by Indianaref

Look at case play 10.3.3 Situation E. Only one T is issued.

Originally Posted by rwest

Each player is assessed a technical foul and the coach is assessed an indirect T for dunk. So, he has 3 indirects and is gone!

He knows that; he was responding to whether one player could have been given two Ts.

Personally, I like the idea of capping the pregame indirects at 2. Go ahead and give the dunk and hanger the 2nd T.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

He knows that; he was responding to whether one player could have been given two Ts.

Personally, I like the idea of capping the pregame indirects at 2. Go ahead and give the dunk and hanger the 2nd T.

But there is no rules basis for any capping. So how would you justify this?

BTW, where was the coach in all this? (Yeah, I know, it's a theoretical situation) Why would he let three players do this without taking some action, hopefully after the first one, but definitely after the second.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

But there is no rules basis for any capping. So how would you justify this?

BTW, where was the coach in all this? (Yeah, I know, it's a theoretical situation) Why would he let three players do this without taking some action, hopefully after the first one, but definitely after the second.

There isn't any rules basis for it. Sorry I wasn't clear, but I'd be in favor of amending the rule to put a cap on pre-game indirect technicals. Although the frequency of this situation is such that it wouldn't really have any effect at all. But since we're already getting theoretorical.

As for the coach, not sure there's much he can do to physically prevent the players from doing this. They've already decided they don't want to play for him, so unless he can physically restrain them, I doubt he can stop it.

[LDUB]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

There isn't any rules basis for it. Sorry I wasn't clear, but I'd be in favor of amending the rule to put a cap on pre-game indirect technicals. Although the frequency of this situation is such that it wouldn't really have any effect at all. But since we're already getting theoretorical.

What is the point of doing that? So he gets 2 indirects before the game, all the third player has to do is stand up off the bench as soon as the game starts. You're just delaying the ejection. If they want him gone you won't be able to stop them.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

Did this player get ejected with 2 T's? Dunking a dead ball and hanging on the rim.

I doubt if he's playing that game anyway.

[JugglingReferee]

What if in the pre-game dunk, a player used his teammate's back to get the needed elevation.

Is that 3 T's?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

What if in the pre-game dunk, a player used his teammate's back to get the needed elevation.

Is that 3 T's?

Sure. Then, before the official has a chance to report the Ts, he turns and starts taunting the other team during warmups. 4, 5, and 6.

Seriously, this would be a situation where I'd give the coach a lot of leeway when yelling at the players. He's already done anyway.

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by JugglingReferee

What if in the pre-game dunk, a player used his teammate's back to get the needed elevation.

Is that 3 T's?

And he was chewing tobacco.