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eyezen Sat Nov 01, 2008 12:45pm

3-man Switching Mechanics
 
I haven't seen this being discused on the forum but I've noticed that IAABO has reverted back to "opposite table" while NFHS has remained "tableside".

For those working in IAABO boards, may be an issue to resolve during preseason meetings.

mick Sat Nov 01, 2008 02:14pm

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 547929)
I haven't seen this being discused on the forum but I've noticed that IAABO has reverted back to "opposite table" while NFHS has remained "tableside".

For those working in IAABO boards, may be an issue to resolve during preseason meetings.

If NFHS mechanics immediately followed CCA procedures, rather than delay the adaptations for the future, there would be no need for Fed mechanics committee.

IREFU2 Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:29am

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Originally Posted by eyezen (Post 547929)
I haven't seen this being discused on the forum but I've noticed that IAABO has reverted back to "opposite table" while NFHS has remained "tableside".

For those working in IAABO boards, may be an issue to resolve during preseason meetings.

I hope Fed's dont change it back......

jritchie Mon Nov 03, 2008 10:36am

The only reason I would llike it seen changed back, is due to doing one on one night and have to go and do something else the next. It needs to be the same to avoid confusion, going back and forth from NFHS and CCA

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:00pm

But which CCA mechanics should NFHS "adopt", men's or women's? Women are still table side, men are opposite. At least NFHS mechanics and rules are the same between the genders.

IREFU2 Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:33pm

IMHO, I would think that the Fed's will stay in conjuction with the NCAA-W mechanics due to the fact that Mary Struckhoff is the assistant director of the National Federation of State High School Associations and NCAA coordinator of women's basketball officials.

jritchie Mon Nov 03, 2008 12:44pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 548212)
But which CCA mechanics should NFHS "adopt", men's or women's? Women are still table side, men are opposite. At least NFHS mechanics and rules are the same between the genders.


that is exactly what I'm talking about, they should all be the same! One book for all. But that would cut into someone's pocket so won't happen!

IREFU2 Mon Nov 03, 2008 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by jritchie (Post 548232)
that is exactly what I'm talking about, they should all be the same! One book for all. But that would cut into someone's pocket so won't happen!

Actually, NFHS rules are closer more too the women, then the mens.

Back In The Saddle Mon Nov 03, 2008 01:09pm

Perhaps. But I would think it has more to do with there being too many governing bodies, and each wanting to have their own say. Because, as we all know, we all think we know the best way to do this. ;)

Maybe I should write my own mechanics manual. I'm sure it would be better than any of the others. :D

IREFU2 Mon Nov 03, 2008 01:17pm

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Originally Posted by back in the saddle (Post 548242)
perhaps. But i would think it has more to do with there being too many governing bodies, and each wanting to have their own say. Because, as we all know, we all think we know the best way to do this. ;)

maybe i should write my own mechanics manual. I'm sure it would be better than any of the others. :d

lmao!!!!!!

OHBBREF Tue Nov 04, 2008 04:40pm

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 547934)
If NFHS mechanics immediately followed CCA procedures, rather than delay the adaptations for the future, there would be no need for Fed mechanics committee.

CCA men's or CCA women's?

mick Tue Nov 04, 2008 05:51pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 548534)
CCA men's or CCA women's?

I don't care.

Back In The Saddle Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:16am

Do the CCA even publish 2 person mechanics any more? There's still an awful lot of 2 person out there in Fedlandia.

tomegun Wed Nov 05, 2008 07:41am

I hope people aren't talking about IAABO when talking about governing bodies. IAABO is a middle man that costs the officials more money. There is nothing IAABO boards do that a good association doesn't do. I've been to states with and without IAABO so while this is my opinion I know it is also true.

Scrapper1 Wed Nov 05, 2008 09:43am

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 548554)
I don't care.

I care a little. I really don't like the women's area of responsibility for the Lead in the frontcourt.

bob jenkins Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:23am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 548650)
I care a little. I really don't like the women's area of responsibility for the Lead in the frontcourt.

I've heard that they considered changing it for this season -- maybe it will get changed for next.

OHBBREF Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:38pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1 (Post 548650)
I care a little. I really don't like the women's area of responsibility for the Lead in the frontcourt.

the only issue I run across is when working with some officials who do a lot of non-womens there is a reluctance to make the pass of the ball handler below the FT line extended to the lead.
It can create a situation if you are not able to communicate who has what during play. even if you communicate this in pre-game it is hard to get some people to break old habits.

Doing predominately women's I make my eye contact toward the Trail /Center depending on the issue, and if they do not want to pass responsibility then I go back inside.
I'm used to the coverage so it really doesn't bother me.

OHBBREF Wed Nov 05, 2008 12:39pm

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Originally Posted by mick (Post 548554)
I don't care.

Men's opposite

Women's table side

mick Wed Nov 05, 2008 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by OHBBREF (Post 548684)
Men's opposite

Women's table side

All in all, I prefer going opposite and letting the trail handle the extraneous table stuff while the reporting/returning Center lets the Lead know what's going on. :)

OHBBREF Fri Nov 07, 2008 04:35pm

found a link from a couple years ago re: 3-man mechanics
 
http://www.tricitysoa.com/ppt/woathr...iles/frame.htm

Back In The Saddle Fri Nov 07, 2008 07:27pm

Question for those with some experience using NCAA-W mechanics. I'm not really crazy about the idea of the T taking post play when the L picks up the ball in his area. That seems like a long way for the T to reach to make a call. Do you find this coverage problematic? Or does it work okay in practice?

bob jenkins Fri Nov 07, 2008 08:35pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 549173)
Question for those with some experience using NCAA-W mechanics. I'm not really crazy about the idea of the T taking post play when the L picks up the ball in his area. That seems like a long way for the T to reach to make a call. Do you find this coverage problematic? Or does it work okay in practice?

The latter.

JRutledge Fri Nov 07, 2008 08:44pm

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle (Post 549173)
Question for those with some experience using NCAA-W mechanics. I'm not really crazy about the idea of the T taking post play when the L picks up the ball in his area. That seems like a long way for the T to reach to make a call. Do you find this coverage problematic? Or does it work okay in practice?

I always thought it was a stupid mechanic. One of the reasons I got out of that mechanic set.

Peace


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