OOB Throw In - Step on the line

BillyMac

OK, we all know that the lines are out of bounds in basketball. In which sports, if any, are the lines inbounds?

I'm not a NASCAR fan but wasn't there a problem with a car going "over" the inside line in a race a few weeks ago? What if he had just touched the line with his tires, but didn't go over the line?

Answers from any sports will be appreciated, even marbles.

Nevadaref

BillyMac wrote
OK, we all know that the lines are out of bounds in basketball. In which sports, if any, are the lines inbounds?

Soccer, tennis, volleyball, baseball, and softball are a few examples. 😉

Nevadaref

Bresquire wrote
Now, i started asking this to officials last year i worked with , it was about a 50\50 split.

Assuming there is a definate line painted around the court, not just wood grain to a solid color to the wall. Although that helps my point a little if it painted like that.

When A1 goes to throw the ball in, steps on the painted line but does not touch the woodgrain of the court. Is this crossing the plane, or does the player indeed have to touch the grain of the court for crossing the plane, and thus losing the throw in.

I haven't found it in the book yet but my contention is on a live ball from the court as soon as you step on the line, the play is called dead. So on a dead ball throw in you are OOB and step on the line you are still OOB. Others have said on a dead ball, the line becomes the boundry for live or dead. What do you think.

Bresquire

Everyone so far has given you the correct answer, but no one has yet provided a rules citation, so here is what the NFHS Case Book says:

9.2.5 SITUATION: Thrower A1 inadvertently steps onto the court inbounds. A1
immediately steps back into normal out-of-bounds throw-in position. The contact
with the court was during a situation: (a) with; or (b) without defensive pressure
on the throw-in team. RULING: A violation in both (a) and (b). COMMENT:
Whether or not there was defensive pressure or whether or not stepping on the
court was inadvertent, it is a violation and no judgment is required in making the
call.

Adam

Nevada, this case doesn't even mention the player stepping on the line, which was the OP. Secondly, this case is a violation; the OP is not.

just another ref

Snaqwells wrote
Nevada, this case doesn't even mention the player stepping on the line, which was the OP. Secondly, this case is a violation; the OP is not.

Hey, copy and paste is enough trouble. You expect him to read it, too?😃

Nevadaref

Snaqwells wrote
Nevada, this case doesn't even mention the player stepping on the line, which was the OP. Secondly, this case is a violation; the OP is not.

Duh! That's my point. This case clearly says that STEPPING INBOUNDS is what is illegal, which was definitely part of the OP's question: "...or does the player indeed have to touch the grain of the court for crossing the plane..."

So I was confirming his belief with a printed citation from the NFHS.

Adam

Nevadaref wrote
Everyone so far has given you the correct answer, but no one has yet provided a rules citation, so here is what the NFHS Case Book says:

9.2.5 SITUATION: Thrower A1 inadvertently steps onto the court inbounds. A1
immediately steps back into normal out-of-bounds throw-in position. The contact
with the court was during a situation: (a) with; or (b) without defensive pressure
on the throw-in team. RULING: A violation in both (a) and (b). COMMENT:
Whether or not there was defensive pressure or whether or not stepping on the
court was inadvertent, it is a violation and no judgment is required in making the
call.

Nevadaref wrote
This case clearly says that STEPPING INBOUNDS is what is illegal, which was definitely part of the OP's question: "...or does the player indeed have to touch the grain of the court for crossing the plane..."

So I was confirming his belief with a printed citation from the NFHS.

Fair enough, and only for the purpose of playing devil's advocate; this case play says nothing about a player stepping on the line. Knowing that stepping into the court is illegal does not tell us that stepping on the line is legal.

What it says is clear, what it implies is not so obvious.

zm1283

BillyMac wrote
I'm not a NASCAR fan but wasn't there a problem with a car going "over" the inside line in a race a few weeks ago? What if he had just touched the line with his tires, but didn't go over the line?

He went under the yellow line at Talladega to make a pass at the end of the race. You can't go under that line to gain positions. If you do, you have to give the spot back or you're black flagged (pass through the pits usually). Most tracks have a white inside line, and you can drive under it all you want, but the ones with yellow lines are a no-no.

I'm pretty sure you can put your tires on the line, but if in their judgment you go too far they will penalize you.

BillyMac

zm1283 wrote
He went under the yellow line at Talladega to make a pass at the end of the race. You can't go under that line to gain positions. If you do, you have to give the spot back or you're black flagged (pass through the pits usually). Most tracks have a white inside line, and you can drive under it all you want, but the ones with yellow lines are a no-no. I'm pretty sure you can put your tires on the line, but if in their judgment you go too far they will penalize you.

Thanks. I know more about brain surgery, and rocket science, than I do about NASCAR racing. I didn't realize that there were different color lines.

"You can't go under that line to gain positions". Is this like advantage/disadvantage in basketball?

Back In The Saddle

IIRC in T&F the lane lines are OOB. There were a couple of runners DQ'd in one of the longer sprints (200? 400?) that I watched during the Olympics for stepping on the lane line.

In volleyball, and I think soccer, possible some of the others that have been listed, not only is the line in bounds, but for the ball to be OOB it must be entirely OOB. If any part of the ball hits the line in volleyball, it's still in no matter how much of it hit outside the line. So more that just a difference between whether the line is in bounds of OOB.

BillyMac

Back In The Saddle wrote
There were a couple of runners DQ'd in one of the longer sprints that I watched during the Olympics for stepping on the lane line.

Thanks for reminding me. I did see this on televison. From the description below, from the NBC website, it sounds like the line is "out of bounds".

"Two disqualifications resulted in two very disappointed sprinters in the finals of the men's 200m. Churandy Martina of the Netherlands Antilles crossed the line second behind Jamaica's Usain Bolt, and American Wallace Spearmon was the third to finish, but both were disqualified for stepping on lane lines. Although Spearmon was knocked out almost immediately after the race's conclusion, he learned about it only after he had been celebrating for several minutes on the track. Martina's DQ came nearly two hours after the race, after officials analyzed video replays".

JRutledge

BillyMac wrote
OK, we all know that the lines are out of bounds in basketball. In which sports, if any, are the lines inbounds?

Think of it this way. Sports where the ball is white, the lines are usually not out of bounds if touched (e.g. Baseball, Soccer). Sports where the color of the ball is not white, the lines are out of bounds (e.g. Football, Basketball). I am sure there are exceptions, but this seems to be the case. BTW, Tennis does not count. 😀

Peace

Jim Henry

BillyMac wrote
A player inbounding the ball may step on, but not over the line. During a designated spot throwin, the player inbounding the ball must keep one foot on or over the three-foot wide designated spot. An inbounding player is allowed to jump or move one or both feet. A player inbounding the ball may move backward as far as the five-second time limit or space allows. If player moves outside the three-foot wide designated spot it is a violation, not travelling. In gymnasiums with limited space outside the sidelines and endlines, a defensive player may be asked to step back no more than three feet. A player inbounding the ball may bounce the ball on the out-of-bounds area prior to making a throwin. After a goal, or awarded goal, the team not credited with the score shall make the throw-in from any point outside the end line. A team retains this “run the endline” privilege if a timeout is called during the dead ball period after the goal. Any player of the team may make a direct throw-in or may pass the ball along the end line to a teammate outside the boundary line.

The defender may not break the imaginary plane during a throwin until the ball has been released on a throw-in pass. If the defender breaks the imaginary plane during a throwin before the ball has been released on a throw-in pass, the defender’s team will receive a team warning, or if the team has already been warned for one of the four delay situations, this action would result in a team technical foul. If the defender contacts the ball after breaking the imaginary plane, it is a player technical foul and a team warning will be recorded. If the defender fouls the inbounding player after breaking the imaginary plane, it is an intentional personal foul, and a team warning will be recorded.

The inbounding player does not have a plane restriction, but has five seconds to release the ball and it must come directly onto the court. The ball can always be passed into the backcourt during a throwin. This situation is not a backcourt violation.

Great explanation BillyMac!! Got to print this out and keep in my bag for the newbies (and others) who just don't get it. I'll send you a royalty check soon!😉

BillyMac

Jim Henry wrote
Great explanation BillyMac!! Got to print this out and keep in my bag for the newbies (and others) who just don't get it.

Jim Henry: Welcome to the Forum. I am the keeper of a whole list of commonly misunderstood basketball rules that you may be interested in. It's too long to send by Private Message (there's a character limit), but if you send me a Forum Private Message, with your real email address, I'll send you a copy. I promise that there will be no spam, and that I will delete, and not save, your real email address. Also, you should change your User Control Panel to accept Private Messages. I've never had any problems with them. BillyMac

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