I vote yes :)

I was simply responding to Chuck's question to Mark, with regards to where the 5 second or less play was located in the case book. My reply was not meant to address anything other than that.

With regards to knocing the ball away to get a delay of game penalty, I'm not stopping the game in that situation. I'll retreive the ball myself, with the clock running and toss it to the thrower.

It was girls, NF (with NCAA womens rules on FTs) standard AAU.

Why do you ask?
 

Tony
Why was it relevant NCAA vs NF, boys vs girls? I don't know NCAA that well, but once you have a whistle and a stoppage, I can get a timeout, right? This is true even if the whistle was the result of an original request for a TO when I couldn't legitimately request one, but you erroneously gave me one anyway. Regardless of what set of rules we use. Once you stop play, you have to administer an inbounds, and before you hand the ball over, I can ask for a timeout legitimately. And you then should grant it, even if the inbounds shouldn't have been happening.

Re: Why do you ask?
 

No, not in NCAA. In NCAA, once the error is recognized, play resumes. You can't be granted the timeout in such a case. The interpretation is different than in NF play.

In NC, we use straight NCAA Women's rules for girls. My understanding is that's what's used at the national level. That's why I questioned what rules you were playing under.

No - I was just pointing out a slightly different situation which would be illegal.

The NCAA women's angle would have made this a more interesting call in the medal rounds. In preliminaries, we only employ the FT rule. In the medal round, we use "modified NCAA" women's rules, which I take to mean NF modified by using other NCAA women's rules we happen to know employed the way we think they work :)

So in the medal round we add the shot clock and eliminate the 10 second BC count (but also count 5 sec closely guarded). However, I don't think we add in this rule for inadvertent TOs, or ay other subtle rule differences.

Tony - seems to depend on the particular AAU tournament. Sometimes it is strictly NF, and sometimes it is modified NCAA rules -- usually dealing with number of players on the lane for F/T and going on the release vs waiting for it to hit. There is normally a "tourney rules" sheet for us at the table. Hawks Coach has girls team, but I think I remember him saying he has more than one team. I'm sure he will see this and correct me if I am wrong.

Tony:

Should have read the entire thread before replying. I see that Hawks Coach has already addressed your question and I forgot about the 30 second clock being added in the later rounds. In VA, we use straight NF rules except for girls private schools where the 30 second clock is used in all varsity games, and I think (senior moment) it is sometimes not used in JV games. I don't recall private school girls having freshman teams. My association does not do a lot of private schools. I think most of the games are handled by an IAABO board in the Distric of Columbia and MD.