The new rules changes are in, and I'm curious what you guys think is the worst rule that was later overturned.

I think they should add a shot clock to HS basketball. I have seen too many games where a team gets a lead in the second quarter, and plays keep-away. 35 seconds is plenty of time to shoot the ball.

Not that I totally disagree with you, but you are going to have to come up with a better argument than "35 seconds is plenty of time to shoot the ball". The schools in my state (KS) are getting severe budget cuts and the particular school in my town fired both tenured librarians as a desperate attempt to get under budget. I am guessing someone asking for $3000 or more for a shot clock for basketball would get as much of a response as I did when I said they were going to have to pay more to get me to do their jr. high tournaments. Answer: Thanks, we'll let you know.

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The experiment of "until the ball touches the ring or backboard or until the free throw ends" failed. Let's go back to the old way, please!

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Hey PA! Glad to see you finally found this place!

One of the worst ones was the old rule that,if a player committed a foul,it was mandatory that he/she had to raise their hand to identify themselves to the scorer.If they didn't within 5 seconds,you were supposed to nail them with an automatic T.Not only that,they had to raise their hand straight up in the air.If the arm was bent,or they waved their hand,we were still supposed to issue a T for not raising their hand "properly".It was just an absolutely idiotic rule.You would call a tough foul in a close game,and then have to worry about whether an arm is late going up or not straight enough.There were a lot of warnings issued,but not many T's were called.This one only lasted a coupla years before they got rid of it.

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First, welcome APC. TH here.

Second, I like the rule. I think it eliminates all the banging and bumping on made FTs. I worked AAU tourneys the last two weekends and can tell you that the Women's NCAA rule is simply archaic. There's all this unnecessary contact on made FTs. It also give a big advantage to the shooting team. Yep, you heard me right. When the shot goes up, the shooter's teammate in the thrid space has a distinct advantage. If the defender moves into the lane, she can go around her to the baseline and gain inside position. I've seen it over and over again during the last two weekends. JMHO.

Glad to have you here, coach. ;)

Besides, it's hard enough finding one person responsible enough to know to stop the clock on the whistle and start it on the chop, now you have to find someone with enough intellect to know to reset the clock when it touches the rim or worse yet give them the responsibility of knowing when a change of possession occurs. I have worked some girls AAU tournaments with volunteers running the shot clock and it is always a nightmare.

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PA Coach,
Glad yer here.
mick

I would like to see this part come back. - You did it now take the blame like a man.

When I was coaching I made my kids raise their hand. Kids did not like it but as time went on they realized that they were fouling less than other teams.

what if the ref blew the call and no one had any idea who the foul was on(i.e. off ball foul). that seams like a silly tech and for what, cause a kid had a phantom foul called on him and now gets a tech for not bailing the ref out.

The mechanic was that you bird-dogged practically every foul so that the player called was aware that the foul was on him.The problem that the rule was trying to address was that scorers were supposedly having problems recording fouls on the proper player.This problem was due more to us officials being lax in our reporting mechanics to the scorer than actually being the fault of the players.The rules committee finally recognised this,and when they took the rule out,they stressed the importance of us reporting fouls properly.That pretty much took care of the problem.Personally,I always felt that there was a big difference between a player being a little frustrated when he committed a foul at a bad time,and the player actually committing an unsportsmanlike act.Taking that particular rule out let us use some judgement again,instead of having to call an automatic T for a relatively harmless act.

jr
the history of that mechanic actually makes sense now. thanks.

The worst rule that was later overturned was Dr. Naismith's original rule #6. This rule stated (among other things) that traveling or hitting the ball with the fist were fouls.

Also, his rule #7 stated that if a team had three consecutive fouls, the other team got credit for a goal.

And, of course, the infamous rule #9 which, on OOB plays, gave the ball to the player who could get to it first. This lead to courts being "caged in" with chicken wire to prevent balls and players from going up into the stands. This also was the reason basketball players were called "cagers" for many years.

Add to this list the jump ball at center court following every basket and I think we've covered most of them.

Gee,Mark,you have been refereeing a lot longer than I have!I bow to your experience.

As I've stated before, I began just before dirt was invented.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by BktBallRef

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[i] I worked AAU tourneys the last two weekends and can tell you that the Women's NCAA rule is simply archaic. There's all this unnecessary contact on made FTs. It also give a big advantage to the shooting team. Yep, you heard me right. When the shot goes up, the shooter's teammate in the thrid space has a distinct advantage. If the defender moves into the lane, she can go around her to the baseline and gain inside position. I've seen it over and over again during the last two weekends. JMHO.

Sounds like we need a rule to penalize good hustle by the shooting team.

Lack of sufficient action.
For those who don't remember, this one was repealed in the early 90's. I do not recall specifics, but in general this ruled said (loosely) that if a team was down by 10 points or more, then that team must make a play to the basket within 10 seconds if closely guarded. If a team was winning by 10 points or more, then they must closely defend an opponent with the ball.

Was that a local rule?The old FED rule said that the team behind,or the defense(if the score was tied)was responsible for the action.They spelled out what action had to be taken,too.The penalty was a T for non-compliance,and "closely guarded" wasn't a part of the rule.This old rule actually evolved into the "closely guarded" rule that we use now.

Thank you Jurassic for setting Young Grasshopper straight on the "lack of sufficient action" rule. The sad thing is that are H.S. coaches out there who still think the rule exsists in some form.

OK, so now it all comes back to me! So its been a while.....
Thanks for the refresher.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Bart Tyson

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Originally posted by BktBallRef Quote: [i] I worked AAU tourneys the last two weekends and can tell you that the Women's NCAA rule is simply archaic. There's all this unnecessary contact on made FTs. It also give a big advantage to the shooting team. Yep, you heard me right. When the shot goes up, the shooter's teammate in the thrid space has a distinct advantage. If the defender moves into the lane, she can go around her to the baseline and gain inside position. I've seen it over and over again during the last two weekends. JMHO. Sounds like we need a rule to penalize good hustle by the shooting team.

Hustle has nothing to do with it. The shooting team simply has the most advantageous position. The best space to have is the third space.