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Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:38am
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Originally Posted by mu4scott
As far as the link goes we all know you are the Grand Poo-bah of officiating. It was for others who may not have seen it.


mu4scott:

Now just wait a gul durn minute!! "I" AM the Grand Poo-bah of basketball officiating. And don't you furgit it! :D

MTD, Sr.

Mark T. DeNucci, Sr. Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:42am
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Originally Posted by mu4scott
One last time.

1) There was an illegal screen on this play. A whistle should have been blown. The "T" official was in error.

2) From a "Game Management" standpoint I feel this play needed a whistle. I'm not going to pass on fouls like this ever. By passing on this call, this game or any game could have the possibility to get out of hand.

3) Pile on me all you want. I come here to learn, but I'm also not going to back down from what I think is right and what I have learned. My philosophy has worked for me so far and it seems to be right in line w/ others who I pattern my game after.

Not everything is black and white. I'm not going to get into this debate right now, but end of game situations are a glaring example of it.

mu4scott:

You say that you are coming here to learn and then refuse to learn. If the contact is legal, no matter how bad it looks, it is NOT a foul. Calling it a foul when it is NOT a foul is NOT good game management; it is incorrect officiating. Rut and I are not piling on you; but we are telling you the correct way to do things.

MTD, Sr. (AKA known as the self-proclaimed Grand Poo Bah of Basketball Officiating. :D )

Raymond Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:45am
I think the last 6-7 pages of this thread have repeated the same point/counter-point at least 15 times now. This thread is now officially in rerun syndication mode.

JRutledge Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:48am
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
(AKA known as the self-proclaimed Grand Poo Bah of Basketball Officiating. :D )
Shouldn't that be "The Grand Poo Bah of Basketball Officiating." :D

Peace

mu4scott Thu Aug 21, 2008 11:51am
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
mu4scott:

You say that you are coming here to learn and then refuse to learn. If the contact is legal, no matter how bad it looks, it is NOT a foul. Calling it a foul when it is NOT a foul is NOT good game management; it is incorrect officiating. Rut and I are not piling on you; but we are telling you the correct way to do things.

MTD, Sr. (AKA known as the self-proclaimed Grand Poo Bah of Basketball Officiating. :D )
Mark I never once said that was not the case. I fully realize that hard screens can be legal. I've never disputed that.

I'm talking about this specific play. It's very clear that she leans into her and should be called for an illegal screen. Is anyone disputing that?

Mark Padgett Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:14pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.
mu4scott:

Now just wait a gul durn minute!! "I" AM the Grand Poo of basketball officiating. And don't you furgit it! :D

MTD, Sr.
Fixed it for ya'. :D

Jurassic Referee Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:44pm
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Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

MTD, Sr. (AKA known as the self-proclaimed Grand Pooh of Basketball Officiating.
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JugglingReferee Thu Aug 21, 2008 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Nice picture, BillyMac!

M&M Guy Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:05pm
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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
Nice picture, BillyMac!
You're just downright mean. :D

Adam Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:15pm
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Originally Posted by mu4scott
I'm talking about this specific play. It's very clear that she leans into her and should be called for an illegal screen. Is anyone disputing that?
Nope, what's being disputed is the relevance of any other criteria that have been brought up; score, time, player's skill, whether you can explain it to a coach, game management., etc.
If you think she stepped into the contact, it's a foul. If you don't think she stepped in, it's a no-call. Game management has nothing to do with it. GM might call for an intentional if you think it was illegal (although I'm backing down from that one now) and excessive. GM might call for an IW to give her a second to recover. GM might call for an explanation to the coach of what you saw. GM may call for simply no whistle.

Here's the problem with bringing GM up here to defend why you have to make a call; you don't know how GM fits in from watching only one play.

Adam Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:16pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
You're just downright mean. :D
It's just the kind of mean spiritedness that drove Dan away.

JRutledge Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:23pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
Nope, what's being disputed is the relevance of any other criteria that have been brought up; score, time, player's skill, whether you can explain it to a coach, game management., etc.
If you think she stepped into the contact, it's a foul. If you don't think she stepped in, it's a no-call. Game management has nothing to do with it. GM might call for an intentional if you think it was illegal (although I'm backing down from that one now) and excessive. GM might call for an IW to give her a second to recover. GM might call for an explanation to the coach of what you saw. GM may call for simply no whistle.

Here's the problem with bringing GM up here to defend why you have to make a call; you don't know how GM fits in from watching only one play.
Do not waste your breathe (or fingers) he will not understand what you are saying. He will just say GM is only about what you call.

Peace

M&M Guy Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:27pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
It's just the kind of mean spiritedness that drove Dan away.
Ooh, does that mean there's a chance we might drive JR away? :eek: :D

Or is he like that proverbial bad penny?

Adam Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:29pm
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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
Ooh, does that mean there's a chance we might drive JR away? :eek: :D

Or is he like that proverbial bad penny?
More like a used shoe.

M&M Guy Thu Aug 21, 2008 01:33pm
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Originally Posted by Snaqwells
More like a used shoe.
C'mon now, don't be such a heel.

(Oh, crap, I wonder how long it will be until Billy comes by with a picture to tie it all together...)


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