Visible Count Mechanics

[Fritz]

Looking for some opinions/guidance on showing the 10-second count (I am relatively new to basketball officiating). When I first started, I counted all 10 seconds with individual arm movements - and did the same on my 5-second inbounds count. Then had a supervisor tell me that it looks stupid with my arm moving back and forth that fast and to switch to an out (1 second) and in (1 second) motion.

I've tried doing that but it feels strange - especially on the 5-second. Yet when I go back to my old method and try not to move fast, I find my 10-second count is closer to 12-13.

Any tips? And do you always start a 10-second visible count when the ball is in backcourt, or do you keep it in your head unless there is defensive pressure or you get to 6 or 7 and the ball hasn't crossed yet?

Thanks!

[Adam]

1. Your supervisor's an idiot.

2. When in Rome, give to Caesar....

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

When in Rome, give to Caesar

Mark 12:17 "And Jesus said to them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." And they were amazed at Him"

[Raymond]

Your supervisor said to do what?!!!? I don't think my brain and arms could coordinate such a count.

You are a new official so need to learn how to do everything properly. Visible count in the back court, most definitely. And it's 1-second per arm extension. You'll learn that coaches are paying attention to such things.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Looking for some opinions/guidance on showing the 10-second count (I am relatively new to basketball officiating). When I first started, I counted all 10 seconds with individual arm movements - and did the same on my 5-second inbounds count. Then had a supervisor tell me that it looks stupid with my arm moving back and forth that fast and to switch to an out (1 second) and in (1 second) motion.

I've tried doing that but it feels strange - especially on the 5-second. Yet when I go back to my old method and try not to move fast, I find my 10-second count is closer to 12-13.

Any tips? And do you always start a 10-second visible count when the ball is in backcourt, or do you keep it in your head unless there is defensive pressure or you get to 6 or 7 and the ball hasn't crossed yet?

Thanks!

Always keep a visual count is what I've always been instructed. As for one hand moment is really two seconds...ummm...see above.

-Josh

[JugglingReferee]

Originally Posted by Fritz

Looking for some opinions/guidance on showing the 10-second count (I am relatively new to basketball officiating). When I first started, I counted all 10 seconds with individual arm movements - and did the same on my 5-second inbounds count. Then had a supervisor tell me that it looks stupid with my arm moving back and forth that fast and to switch to an out (1 second) and in (1 second) motion.

I've tried doing that but it feels strange - especially on the 5-second. Yet when I go back to my old method and try not to move fast, I find my 10-second count is closer to 12-13.

Any tips? And do you always start a 10-second visible count when the ball is in backcourt, or do you keep it in your head unless there is defensive pressure or you get to 6 or 7 and the ball hasn't crossed yet?

Thanks!

1. Your supervisor's wrong. It doesn't look stupid, it looks accurate.
2. Always show a visible count!

True story: I'm coaching in a provincial semi and the Trail wasn't using a visible count. This was the first year that coaches could request timeouts. My PG wasn't near half when 8 seconds had gone by (clock was my proof) and I requested a TO to prevent the violation. Tweet - 10 second violation. I asked him how he knew that there was a 10 second violation if he wasn't counting. He replied "I was counting". "No you weren't: you didn't have a visible count". "I'm not required to." You can imagine how that sits with any coach. Then I asked him how it could be 10s violation if only 8 seconds came off the clock? Another blank stare.

Practice your visible count, be accurate, and always show a visible count.

Imo, never be less than 10, but aim on the side of too long than too quick. Between 10 and 11 is best.

So A5 rebounds B1s missed FT & gives it to A1 per coaches request "Give it to a guard"!! Team Bs coach is screaming "Get back on D" now the only ones in the BC are you & the dribbler. You're clicking all the way to the division line?

Same sitch but after a made basket?

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

So A5 rebounds B1s missed FT & gives it to A1 per coaches request "Give it to a guard"!! Team Bs coach is screaming "Get back on D" now the only ones in the BC are you & the dribbler. You're clicking all the way to the division line?

Same sitch but after a made basket?

I do, for various reasons. Primarily, I've had enough point guards sit back and take their time crossing the line. Typically, when I get close to 8 or 9, coach is already yelling at his pg to cross. The few times I've made this 10 second call, the coaches lit into the pg's; not saying a word to me. It's not only the right call, it's the expected call.
Of course, I can't speak for your area (yet).

[Fritz]

thanks guys, I will work on my 10-sec arm movements, make them fluid and not seem rushed. You never know with supervisors..............

[Fritz]

thanks for the tips, most helpful!!

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I do, for various reasons. Primarily, I've had enough point guards sit back and take their time crossing the line. Typically, when I get close to 8 or 9, coach is already yelling at his pg to cross. The few times I've made this 10 second call, the coaches lit into the pg's; not saying a word to me. It's not only the right call, it's the expected call.
Of course, I can't speak for your area (yet).

I hear you Snaqs... does anyone know if this practice varies from HS to NCAA?

No decision as of yet? If you do come to the Metro area, it would be a good idea to get your resume & game tapes to the assignors in September before the October draw. Addresses can be obtained from the CHSAA website.

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

I hear you Snaqs... does anyone know if this practice varies from HS to NCAA?

Only time I don't see a visible b/c count is in NCAA-W (which has no count) and the NBA (I'm assuming they use the shot or game clock).

[Coltdoggs]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

I do, for various reasons. Primarily, I've had enough point guards sit back and take their time crossing the line. Typically, when I get close to 8 or 9, coach is already yelling at his pg to cross. The few times I've made this 10 second call, the coaches lit into the pg's; not saying a word to me. It's not only the right call, it's the expected call.
Of course, I can't speak for your area (yet).

I alwas have the visible going and how this guy is being told to 1-out, 2-in...no...it's 1 for one arm extenstion.

I called a 10s vio with under 30s left in a game not long ago where the PG was loafing coming back up the floor. PG couldn't believe it but the Coach didn't say anything....vio is a vio regardless of time on the clock.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Coltdoggs

I alwas have the visible going and how this guy is being told to 1-out, 2-in...no...it's 1 for one arm extenstion.

I called a 10s vio with under 30s left in a game not long ago where the PG was loafing coming back up the floor. PG couldn't believe it but the Coach didn't say anything....vio is a vio regardless of time on the clock.

I've called the lolly-gagging 10 second violation before, too. Invariably, the coach is yelling at his point guard.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Ch1town

So A5 rebounds B1s missed FT & gives it to A1 per coaches request "Give it to a guard"!! Team Bs coach is screaming "Get back on D" now the only ones in the BC are you & the dribbler. You're clicking all the way to the division line?

Same sitch but after a made basket?

Yes. What if you have a timing error? You need the count to fix it unless you are working a D1 game with a courtside monitor.