You don’t have to be able to “look in between” the players to tell there is contact at this point. This is the most disturbing part to me is that you won't admit there is definitely contact here.
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Answer this for me. What if this was a three whistle game and the lead official in this instance was actually the “C” on this play. For the sake of discussion let’s say the offensive player is trying to rebound the ball in the frame above off a missed shot. In order for you to call the offensive player for the infamous “over the back” do you have to be able to see in between them to call it from the “C” position?

That's just wrong.

Funny, but wrong.

Oh, about 50% of the population of Hackensack!!:eek:

And I still say that this whole 8 pages could have been avoided if the official hadn't been so lazy on the court!:mad:

Yeah, he showed a complete lack of professionalism.

First, I agree there was contact.
Second, I believe (because of view) it was incidental.

If defender would not have bailed (flopped) I got a possible PC but as Jeff said video quality was poor. But it was good enough to see a flop at full speed first time thru..IMO.

Looks like A1's landing was based on his thinking that there was "going to be" a train wreck. (Imagine sitting down and somebody pulling the chair on you, you are not going to fall down in the sitting postion, you will fall awkwardly.)

Official (trail --> new lead) was way behind...looks like he was not at least anticipating the loose ball that started this whole thing heading up the floor...10 players were already headed up the floor before he even turned that way.

I agree completely with Coach P.

He's as blind as a Nevada Bat, just like I am. :)

Nope...if he had jumped straight up he would have landed back on the platform. He jumped out with some initial rotation and took 3 or 10 meters to fall to water's surface. Plenty of time for that minor rotation to develop (in a full tuck) into a complete rotation.

Whoa! Looks like a really bad travel in the post.

Block on the crash. Defender was not set when offensive player began shooting motion.

May have been a goaltend by the secondary defender. It is hard to tell whether he contacted the ball or not.

I'm trying to quit picking on words, but this begs me to respond. He doesn't have to be set, he only needs to have LGP. Being "set" is coachspeak that only perpetuates misconceptions.

The defender doesn’t have to have LGP (or be set as you put it) when the offensive player starts the shooting motion for a PC call. LGP has to be made and maintained before contactto get the charge.

Fixed it for you. :)

I do not call "over the backs" so I would have no idea what you are talking about.

You have all the answers big shot. I stated my position. I hope that Final Four career is going to works out for you. ;)

Peace

What's "over the back?"

Let me rephrase it for you.... Have you ever called a foul from the "C" position on an offensive player while he/she was trying go over/thru a defensive player while they were blocking out? This play is typically in every contest and is usually brought on after a missed shot attempt.

I've been told this call should be made by the "C" and was wondering if you agree?

"I hope that Final Four career is going to works out for you. " - JRut

Seems to be going well. I'm ahead of schedule so I'm pleased.

Are you from Southern California?