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Raymond Mon Jul 14, 2008 07:25am

How shall we mourn?
 
Look who got fire!!!

JugglingReferee Mon Jul 14, 2008 07:28am

And people said that Hell wouldn't freeze over!

mick Mon Jul 14, 2008 07:38am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Look who got fire!!!

Maybe they couldn't fire him for age and lack of knowledge, and they made up another reason, which seems rather weak.

Raymond Mon Jul 14, 2008 07:52am

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Originally Posted by mick
Maybe they couldn't fire him for age and lack of knowledge, and they made up another reason, which seems rather weak.

The article doesn't say why he was fired. It says he was criticized for his on-air remarks but it doesn't say who leveled the criticism. I think he was probably already on his way out the door.

Mark Padgett Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:04am

He still has his game show - "Are You Smarter Than Billy Packer?" It's on TLN (The Loser Network).

Welpe Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:10am

Hopefully these firings come in threes. So, who is next? I'm hoping for Jay Bilas and Tim McCarver.

truerookie Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:18am

Wow!! don't know what the season is going to be like now that Packer is gone. Especially, the talk about how horrible he is. I guess I have to adjust the volume back on my televsion (stop using close caption).

Raymond Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:23am

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Originally Posted by truerookie
Wow!! don't know what the season is going to be like now that Packer is gone. Especially, the talk about how horrible he is. I guess I have to adjust the volume back on my televsion (stop using close caption).

Unfortunately we get him on RAYCOM for all the big ACC games but at least I won't have to listen to him after the ACC tourney.

grunewar Mon Jul 14, 2008 09:59am

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Originally Posted by truerookie
Wow!! don't know what the season is going to be like now that Packer is gone. Especially, the talk about how horrible he is.

I imagine we'll find someone else! :)

Adam Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:02am

Gottlieb is still the worst, buthe doesn't tend to do live broadcasts.

rainmaker Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:14am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
The article doesn't say why he was fired. It says he was criticized for his on-air remarks but it doesn't say who leveled the criticism. I think he was probably already on his way out the door.

The article says that some people saw the comment "The game is over" as an indication to quit watching (change channels). I'd say that while all his other faults didn't matter, the bottom line (losing viewers) was the bottom line.

IREFU2 Mon Jul 14, 2008 10:59am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Look who got fire!!!

Dump a 40 oz out on the ground!!!!!

Camron Rust Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:14am

The collective basketball IQ of the CBS basketball crew just multiplied by a large number!!!

Raymond Mon Jul 14, 2008 01:01pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
The article says that some people saw the comment "The game is over" as an indication to quit watching (change channels). I'd say that while all his other faults didn't matter, the bottom line (losing viewers) was the bottom line.

Maybe they fired him b/c his dumb a$$ was wrong about the UNC/KU game considering UNC came back to within 4 points. It was just another example of Packer not knowing what he was talking about.

icallfouls Mon Jul 14, 2008 01:25pm

How about?

"This career is over."

or for you Dallas Cowboy/MNF fans:

"Turn out the lights, the party's over"

Red Auerbach just lit another cigar

:D

Adam Mon Jul 14, 2008 01:42pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls
Red Auerbach just lit another cigar

:D

At least he can stop spinning down there.

Adam Mon Jul 14, 2008 01:53pm

Flipping through foxsports story on it, and I laughed at the following quote from the comments section:

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i just passed duke university,,,,,,they are having a wake.

BktBallRef Mon Jul 14, 2008 02:27pm

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Originally Posted by icallfouls
How about?

"This career is over."

or for you Dallas Cowboy/MNF fans:

"Turn out the lights, the party's over"

Red Auerbach just lit another cigar

:D

''You can put this one in the refrigerator. The door's closed, the light's out, the eggs are cooling, the butter's getting hard and the Jell-O is jiggling.''

The Pecker is gone!

Andy Mon Jul 14, 2008 02:46pm

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i just passed duke university,,,,,,they are having a wake.

if that's the case...what's going to happen when Dickie V retires/gets fired? :eek:

Adam Mon Jul 14, 2008 02:55pm

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Originally Posted by Andy
if that's the case...what's going to happen when Dickie V retires/gets fired? :eek:

Complete meltdown.

Nevadaref Mon Jul 14, 2008 04:23pm

http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ges/hurray.gif

ODJ Mon Jul 14, 2008 11:47pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Unfortunately we get him on RAYCOM for all the big ACC games but at least I won't have to listen to him after the ACC tourney.

He's gone from Raycom too. :D

Billy never got over Al McGuire being more popular than him. It was a good trio in the 70s, with Dick Enberg.

All hail, Clark Kellogg!!!!

Raymond Tue Jul 15, 2008 01:11pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
The article doesn't say why he was fired. It says he was criticized for his on-air remarks but it doesn't say who leveled the criticism. I think he was probably already on his way out the door.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rainmaker
The article says that some people saw the comment "The game is over" as an indication to quit watching (change channels). I'd say that while all his other faults didn't matter, the bottom line (losing viewers) was the bottom line.



Looks like I might have been right. According to Neil Best at Newsday Packer's departure was already determined going into last season.

Adam Tue Jul 15, 2008 01:47pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Looks like I might have been right. According to Neil Best at Newsday Packer's departure was already determined going into last season.

That makes it one of the best kept secrets in history; right up there with the landing site for D-Day.

Nevadaref Tue Jul 15, 2008 06:08pm

COMMENTARY
The thrill had gone out of Billy Packer's game

The longtime announcer, who is being replaced in CBS' college basketball coverage, didn't seem to reflect the joy of the game as years went on.
By Diane Pucin, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 15, 2008
Billy Packer had become old-school -- and not in the good way of paying attention to detail or studying hard before he would go on the air, but in the way of a crotchety old guy who chases neighborhood kids out of the yard.

"Get off my grass, younguns," became "How dare the NCAA tournament committee let in all those Bradleys and Wichita States and George Masons instead of . . . (insert any bottom-feeder from the Atlantic Coast Conference).


Packer will no longer be part of the CBS college basketball broadcast team, it was announced Monday. In a statement, Packer, 68, said he was leaving to "pursue other basketball projects." He will be replaced by Clark Kellogg, 47.

Kellogg is knowledgeable, fair-minded and, most of all, seems excited to be doing college basketball.

Do a five-minute Google search on Billy Packer and you will find him described as "arrogant," "pompous," "imperious," a "blowhard," an "ACC apologist," "angry," "rude," a "fuddy-duddy" and "stubborn."

You will find stories that say Packer didn't cotton to cellphones and computers, though he wasn't quoted directly as saying he didn't own such gadgets. (And, as a matter of fact, I know people who have Packer's cellphone number.)

Packer, who played college basketball at Wake Forest, has been part of every Final Four television broadcast since 1975. His best years were when he was teamed with Dick Enberg and Al McGuire.

Packer's cranky complaints fit in well with Enberg's graceful descriptions and McGuire's emotion-based enthusiasm. (Even if McGuire didn't have command of all the facts, he still let you know he loved being at games.)

Having interviewed Packer, Enberg and McGuire (who died in 2001) dozens of times over the last 15 years, it was always fun to speak with Enberg and McGuire and intimidating to talk to Packer. Enberg and McGuire would stop, say hello, tell a story, praise a story. A hello to Packer might elicit a grunt in return.

Where it's hard to stay mad at Dick Vitale no matter how biased his views are for the fabulousness of anything Big East, ACC or Big Ten because he is genuinely excited to watch every college basketball game ever played, it seemed as if Packer was always wishing things were like they were in 1975.

His dyspeptic rant during the 2006 CBS NCAA tournament selection show, when he unapologetically savaged the choice of four Missouri Valley Conference teams, offered a couple of good points missed because of his red-faced anger. Oh, and no apology from Billy when Bradley and Wichita State went to the Sweet 16.

However, Packer did do some apologizing.

In 2000, he harangued a female student who asked him for a pass or credential before a game at Duke. Jen Feinberg, the student, said Packer told her, "You need to get a life. Since when do we let women control who gets into a men's basketball game? Why don't you go find a women's game to let people into?"

Feinberg received an e-mail apology -- apparently from a computer that didn't belong to Packer. He also apologized to Allen Iverson for referring to the then-Georgetown guard as "a little monkey." Packer said he meant nothing but praise for Iverson.

Then there was the March 2007 ACC game between Duke and North Carolina in which the Blue Devils' Gerald Henderson elbowed Tar Heels center Tyler Hansbrough in the nose with such force that Hansbrough left a bloody trail as he left the court.

Before watching the replay, Packer said with certainty that Henderson's elbow was inadvertent. However, video showed enough intention for the officials to issue a flagrant foul call against Henderson.

Even after the replay and the call, Packer refused to budge.

As Henderson was ejected, Packer said, "I don't like the call at all. . . . I think this was a poor piece of officiating. I didn't see any intent."

But more than an unwillingness to change an opinion, what stood out about Packer over the last few years was inability to project joy.

He had one of the most recognizable voices in NCAA tournament history but never sounded as if he was having fun.

I have a brother who is a college basketball wonk. He watches, DVRs, listens to every bit of college basketball that is available.

His reaction on hearing Packer is gone: "Good. He's no fun."

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Camron Rust Tue Jul 15, 2008 07:24pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
COMMENTARY
The thrill had gone out of Billy Packer's game

The longtime announcer, who is being replaced in CBS' college basketball coverage, didn't seem to reflect the joy of the game as years went on.
By Diane Pucin, Los Angeles Times Staff Writer
July 15, 2008
Billy Packer had become old-school -- and not in the good way...

Now that is a copyright violation. Perhaps you should delete it or edit it to have a link to the actual article.

Nevadaref Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:24pm

Are you trying to tell me what to post? :eek:

Don't make me send JR after you! :p

Camron Rust Wed Jul 16, 2008 02:23am

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Are you trying to tell me what to post? :eek:

Don't make me send JR after you! :p

Topicwise, no....however, posting an entire article is, unless you're the original author or have permission from the permission from the author/owner (the L.A.Times), simply illegal. Just trying to do you (and this site) a favor.


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