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Mark Padgett Sat Jun 21, 2008 03:40pm

"Call it both ways"
 
a) "Sorry, coach, we can't. We're only allowed to call it one way - the right way."

b) "Coach, are you implying we're favoring one team over the other? Because if you are, that's impuning our integrity and that's a technical."

c) "OK coach, I will. Blue, thirty-two, a hold. That's one way. Thirty-two, blue, a hold. That's two ways. You happy now?"

d) "Can't do that, coach. We only make calls in English. If you want them in another language, go play in an international game."

Anyone have any others?

canuckrefguy Sat Jun 21, 2008 05:07pm

e) "TWEET....technical foul, Blue coach"

;)

Mark Padgett Sat Jun 21, 2008 08:53pm

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Originally Posted by canuckrefguy
e) "TWEET....technical foul, white coach"

;)

But it was the blue coach who said it! ;) Since he wants us to call it both ways, we'd have to T both of them. Works for me.

grunewar Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:39pm

f) OK coach. I'll call all the fouls and violations at that end during this half and then I'll call em all at this end the next half. Will that make you happy? ;)

inigo montoya Sun Jun 22, 2008 12:57pm

OK, coach. It's a block down here and a charge down there. Both ways. Got it.

Dan_ref Sun Jun 22, 2008 03:27pm

I see Mark is recycling his material again.

Mark Padgett Sun Jun 22, 2008 04:48pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
I see Mark is recycling his material again.

Hey - this is the slowest the board's been since Dr. Naismith tossed the first coach.

BillyMac Sun Jun 22, 2008 05:24pm

But He Touched The Wire Handles ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Hey - this is the slowest the board's been since Dr. Naismith tossed the first coach.

I believe that the coach was complaining about peach basket interference.

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Y2Koach Mon Jun 23, 2008 04:45pm

As a coach, I expect the refs to call it both ways. If team A is called for a foul, team B should be called for a foul within 2 or 3 plays. The foul count should be even the entire game, or else the ref is cheating. Style of play and player discipline do not come into consideration when it comes to foul count. Refs calling it both ways does.

Who cares if team A is playing zone and team B is settling for jumpers, while team B is pressing full court and handchecking and reaching at every turn.

Call it both ways.

Who cares if team A is clearly more disciplined and has been taught how to take charges and refs call a charge on B2? When coach B tells his players to take a charge and B2 jumps into the path of airbourne A2 and flops as A2 avoids the contact and slightly glances B2s shoulder...

Call it both ways.

One caveat though... if you are a ref and are calling it tight both ways for an entire game, if my team is up by 1 and on defense with 3 seconds left and the other team drives to the lane and we foul him, don't call the foul. Let the players decide the game.

JugglingReferee Mon Jun 23, 2008 04:54pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Koach
As a coach, I expect the refs to call it both ways. If team A is called for a foul, team B should be called for a foul within 2 or 3 plays. The foul count should be even the entire game, or else the ref is cheating. Style of play and player discipline do not come into consideration when it comes to foul count. Refs calling it both ways does.

Who cares if team A is playing zone and team B is settling for jumpers, while team B is pressing full court and handchecking and reaching at every turn.

Call it both ways.

Who cares if team A is clearly more disciplined and has been taught how to take charges and refs call a charge on B2? When coach B tells his players to take a charge and B2 jumps into the path of airbourne A2 and flops as A2 avoids the contact and slightly glances B2s shoulder...

Call it both ways.

One caveat though... if you are a ref and are calling it tight both ways for an entire game, if my team is up by 1 and on defense with 3 seconds left and the other team drives to the lane and we foul him, don't call the foul. Let the players decide the game.

This is exactly how I was taught! It's nice to know that I was taught the correct way.

canuckrefguy Mon Jun 23, 2008 06:41pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Koach
As a coach, I expect the refs to call it both ways. If team A is called for a foul, team B should be called for a foul within 2 or 3 plays. The foul count should be even the entire game, or else the ref is cheating. Style of play and player discipline do not come into consideration when it comes to foul count. Refs calling it both ways does.

Who cares if team A is playing zone and team B is settling for jumpers, while team B is pressing full court and handchecking and reaching at every turn.

Call it both ways.

Who cares if team A is clearly more disciplined and has been taught how to take charges and refs call a charge on B2? When coach B tells his players to take a charge and B2 jumps into the path of airbourne A2 and flops as A2 avoids the contact and slightly glances B2s shoulder...

Call it both ways.

One caveat though... if you are a ref and are calling it tight both ways for an entire game, if my team is up by 1 and on defense with 3 seconds left and the other team drives to the lane and we foul him, don't call the foul. Let the players decide the game.

LOL :D

JRutledge Mon Jun 23, 2008 07:09pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Koach
As a coach, I expect the refs to call it both ways. If team A is called for a foul, team B should be called for a foul within 2 or 3 plays. The foul count should be even the entire game, or else the ref is cheating. Style of play and player discipline do not come into consideration when it comes to foul count. Refs calling it both ways does.

Who cares if team A is playing zone and team B is settling for jumpers, while team B is pressing full court and handchecking and reaching at every turn.

Call it both ways.

Until both play the exact same way, you are not going to get the same foul on both ends. And yes, settling for jumpers does not produce the same kinds of contact (which leads to fouls) as if you attack the basket constantly. And if you attack the basket and the defense does nothing wrong, I am not calling fouls just because you are in contact with a defender. The defense is allowed to play the game too and fouls have to be earned, not expected. It also does matter if a team is playing a zone, because the offense is not going to attack the basket with a zone as they do with man to man defenses. You either need to learn to shoot over the zone in order to move the zone or you go to the basket where the defense is going to have an advantage because they are likely legally in their positions. Now I am not a coach and never claim to be. But I know that if players are already standing on a spot, it is not automatic you will get fouls if defenders know that is the only place you are going to go. Your shots can get blocked, altered or someone can steal the ball. If more coaches just realized that, they might not blame the officials for what is not called.
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Originally Posted by Y2Koach
Who cares if team A is clearly more disciplined and has been taught how to take charges and refs call a charge on B2? When coach B tells his players to take a charge and B2 jumps into the path of airbourne A2 and flops as A2 avoids the contact and slightly glances B2s shoulder...

Call it both ways.

So we are calling the game based on what the coach thinks now? WRONG AGAIN!!!!

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Originally Posted by Y2Koach
One caveat though... if you are a ref and are calling it tight both ways for an entire game, if my team is up by 1 and on defense with 3 seconds left and the other team drives to the lane and we foul him, don't call the foul. Let the players decide the game.

Experienced officials that I have come in contact with do not use the term "calling it tight." There is either an advantage or there is not an advantage.

And if that contact has been a foul all night at the beginning of the game, it is likely going to be a foul near the end of the game. You have already decided the game by not playing good defense. And if a foul needs to be called, then we call the foul. Do not give me this "Let the players decide the game" crap.

I had a game on Saturday where a coach spent all his time complaining about the officials and how the game was being called, that with a one point lead he forgot to tell his team to play defense with seconds left in the game. I guess it was our fault they lost the game because of how we called the game?

Give me a break.

Peace

Nevadaref Mon Jun 23, 2008 07:27pm

Someone obviously missed the humor of Y2Koach :rolleyes:

just another ref Mon Jun 23, 2008 07:35pm

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Originally Posted by Nevadaref
Someone obviously missed the humor of Y2Koach :rolleyes:

And who would that be?

Why does everything get personal?:D

JRutledge Mon Jun 23, 2008 07:45pm

Maybe he needs to read his rants about "Courage."

Peace

Mark Padgett Mon Jun 23, 2008 08:39pm

Rut - I didn't take it that you didn't "get" the humor of the coach's post. I took it that you got it all right, but you replied as if it was a "straight" post which made your post even funnier. Great job.

If I'm wrong, you can smack me upside the head with a frying pan. :(

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26 Year Gap Mon Jun 23, 2008 08:51pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Rut - I didn't take it that you didn't "get" the humor of the coach's post. I took it that you got it all right, but you replied as if it was a "straight" post which made your post even funnier. Great job.

If I'm wrong, you can smack me upside the head with a frying pan. :(

http://www.backcountrygear.com/image...hFryingPan.jpg

THAT will give you a virtual headache for sure.

JRutledge Mon Jun 23, 2008 11:53pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Rut - I didn't take it that you didn't "get" the humor of the coach's post. I took it that you got it all right, but you replied as if it was a "straight" post which made your post even funnier. Great job.

If you cannot figure out what my intentions are, then I did my job. Not all responses need a smiley face on them. :p

Peace

Y2Koach Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:45am

JRutledge is the type of ref the that calls multiple fouls on my son in the first quarter of big games with the sole purpose of keeping him from getting a scholarship. Doesn't he know that D1 college coaches give scholarships on the spot to the player that scores the most points regardless of shot selection, defense, passing skills, rebounding, etc? Doesn't he know that even though there probably aren't any scouts or coaches in the stands, that this one game is the ultimate indicator of whether or not my son gets a full ride and that him calling those ticky tack 2-handed hand checks are costing him his future? There's no "I" in team, but there are 2 "I"s in INTEGRITY!!! Let the kids decide the game!!!

oh, and call it both ways...

Dan_ref Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:51am

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Originally Posted by Y2Koach
There's no "I" in team...

... but there is a ME.

Y2Koach Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:55am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan_ref
... but there is a ME.

Actually, there is a ME backwards, with a hole, and an "A" in that hole, so basically there is no "I" in team, but ME backwards with an "A" hole... GO TEAM!!!

and by the way...

Call it both ways, thanks.

Dan_ref Tue Jun 24, 2008 11:58am

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Koach
Actually, there is a ME backwards, with a hole, and an "A" in that hole, so basically there is no "I" in team, but ME backwards with an "A" hole... GO TEAM!!!

and by the way...

Call it both ways, thanks.


Geeze... the word team has deeper meaning than I ever suspected... who knew??

bob jenkins Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:08pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
Geeze... the word team has deeper meaning than I ever suspected... who knew??

I think all of us know that there are many words that have a deeper meaning than you ever suspected.

Adam Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:17pm

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Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I think all of us know that there are many words that have a deeper meaning than you ever suspected.

There may or may not be Vegas odds on just how many such words there are.

Dan_ref Tue Jun 24, 2008 12:45pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by bob jenkins
I think all of us know that there are many words that have a deeper meaning than you ever suspected.


:D good one, funny...

... hey... wait a minute !

:mad:

RookieDude Tue Jun 24, 2008 02:31pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Y2Koach
Actually, there is a ME backwards, with a hole, and an "A" in that hole, so basically there is no "I" in team, but ME backwards with an "A" hole... GO TEAM!!!

and by the way...

Call it both ways, thanks.

Y2Koach 1...Dan_ref nothin

Wow...I think this is the "first" time I have seen Dan shutout in a thread. (so far that is):p

Jurassic Referee Tue Jun 24, 2008 02:46pm

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Originally Posted by RookieDude
Y2Koach 1...Dan_ref nothin

Wow...I think this is the "first" time I have seen Dan shutout in a thread. (so far that is):p

Or as we computer genii guru geeks like to say, Dan has been pwned.

Royally pwned.

Adam Tue Jun 24, 2008 02:48pm

Werd.

Dan_ref Tue Jun 24, 2008 03:22pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Or as we computer genii guru geeks like to say, Dan has been pwned.

Royally pwned.

w00t

Camron Rust Tue Jun 24, 2008 04:32pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jurassic Referee
Or as we computer genii guru geeks like to say, Dan has been pwned.

Royally pwned.

Hooah!


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