Back From Camp....
 

Stuff from camp this weekend....

1. No Hands on Hips EVER inside the lines
2. Don't dribble the ball on the court during a dead ball. You are not a player
3. When reporting fouls - use the correct signal. If he pushed, its a push. If we held, its a hold. etc.
4. Don't Chew Gum
5. When a time out is called, your feet do not move to go to your designated spot until both teams are in their respective huddle. Watch the teams
6. Trail to Lead - look back, don't just run down to trail with your back to the players.
7. If T is beat, C pick up and ref to baseline until Trail can get there.
8. T stay behind the ball in the back court
9. Lead referees 99% of the post on strong side
10. Block / Charge in the post - Fist only, yield to primary (pregame this play)
11. Call in your primary
12. Loose ball on the floor turns into scrum - TWO noses 5" from the ball
13. Technical Fouls - KNOW THE RULES
14. Intentional / Hard Fouls do not need a huddle. It is or its not immediately.
15. Talk to Coaches - he who handles coaches moves career forward.
16. No Bad Tosses - U1 blow it back.
17. When you kick a call, and we all do, your next two whistles should be 110% calls. This will get you back in the groove
18. Don't have to get the game back under control.
19. Huddles - at 1st Media and then end of game.
20. A block is a block. A charge is a charge an if there is ANY question what it is, its a CHARGE
21. When reporting fouls, do so from a spot on the floor where no player can pass between you and the table
22. On Subs, do not put ball in play until the old player is in the coaches box.
23. Be on floor at 30. Check out the court. Find things that will get you in trouble later so you are not surprised. IOW, dont just stand there.

Some other items I picked up

If you want to be one of the 96 - you better be in the correct free throw position on first of 2.

Camp: Issues present themselves - those who handle them, distinguish themselves.

Camp: Be Ready. There are no warm up games in camp when you are there trying to get hired. If you take the first game to "warm up" you will fall behind.

Camp: Looking for leaders. Not U2s

Camp: Deal with Coaches - control your game.

Camp: Get better game to game. It will be noticed.

Other tidbits I wrote down:

Look for opportunities to rotate.
Use your voice / Have a strong Voice
No out of primary calls unless they are must gets.

Couple more....

No Cheapies on the bigs

An finally -

Have a consistent and prepared pre-game and captains meeting

Good list. I don't understand the point being made by #12. Could you elaborate?
Also please state what exactly is the "correct FT position" on the 1st of 2.

But it's okay if the player is a guard???

I don't like that line at all. Why not just say that all foul calls should be solid?

12 - when we have a multiple players on the floor fighting for the ball, he wants 2 officials on top of that play - right there - helping players up, preventative officiating etc. Player piles are where the "stuff" happens.

The other item...
They are talking about the correct free throw position for lead. Its not next to the last player on the lane line for the first of two free throws

Nah - I get it. It means that there is more often than not, a big drop off from the starting 4 and 5 to the backup 4 and 5 talent wise and the game can go down hill from there.

But you have a point - make all foul calls solid and you can accomplish this same thing.

1. why?
4. Why?
14. I disagree. I would want to conference with my partners and us come to an agreement if it is borderline. Now I can agree with it if it is an absolutely obvious call. I hope that is what you meant.
20. I guess this is just philosophy. did the clinician give a reason of why he says it should be a charge?

Then how do you signal a block? :confused:

Thanks for clarifying #12. It was unclear if the noses were those of the two players in the tie-up or a desire for officials to get in there.

You still have not stated what the correct position IS. You have only stated what it is NOT. With the players moving up a lane-space at the HS level this year, there has already been some discussion on this forum of what positioning the Lead should take. I would be interested in hearing your clinicians' take on this. Thanks.

It sounds like the clinician was more annoyed with the common practice of standing by the bottom block during the first of multiple free throws.

Unless something has changed in the mechanics manual, I don't see why there's any debate about where the lead should stand on free throws. The lines aren't moving, are they?

I've heard both of these in pretty much these exact words. I never understood the reason... but still I keep my hands off my hips & don't bounce the ball. IMO this is absolutely the most useful in your list for anyone at any level. And also IMO it is not taught at enough camps by enough clinicians. This is important because every year the dam ncaa technical foul rules change and they are almost as complicated & wordy as the ncaa time out rules. Talking to coaches is very over rated IMO. Disagree. Blow a call? Forget it, move on, call your game. See my comment on #13 errr.... Be at your best game 1... improve each game.... huh? A favorite thing for clinicians to say when they run out of things to say. Rotate when needed.

btw, great post, thanks!

Are you serious?

Good Lord, I hope t'hell not!

If there's any doubt in <b>your</b> mind i.e. borderline as the <b>calling</b> official, then you <b>don't</b> call it. Ever. If you can't decide all by your little own self whether a foul should be called intentional/flagrant, then you don't belong on the floor at that level. You partners aren't out there to babysit you. If it's your call, then just call the damn thing. What makes you think that the other officials are watching that play in <b>your</b> primary anyway?

The clinician meant exactly what he wanted to say in #14. He wants officials with the nuts to make the tough call, instead of caucusing or taking a poll. Fwiw, I sureasheck agree with the clinician.

As much as I hate to admit it I agree with the cranky old b@stard.

These are just about perception. And that perception is probably going to change from observer to observer. Some will think they look terrible. Others will think they're completely unimportant. Personally, I don't like how they look, but I'd have a hard time being too critical about it.

Great advice and not too many officials actually do it.

This is one that I hear directed at newer guys OVER AND OVER again every year. Good to get in this habit.

As my old interpreter used to say, "Let 'em see stripes!!"

I guess I'm going to slightly disagree on this. I don't mind getting some information from my partner, especially if the contact is from behind. If the play is coming at me and the contact is from behind, I can see that there's contact, but I might not see everything. I don't want a 3-minute huddle, but a quick "Hey Scrapper, he took a full wind-up" might be appreciated.

How the heck do you do this, except by leaning against the table to report? :confused:

And you say you just got back from camp? :D

Was this a HS camp? Sounds like it based on the philosophies listed, but then I see some NCAA mentioned things that make me think otherwise... just curious, seems like some mixed philosophies.

And I disagree with a good amount of the tidbits listed.

Can't speak for the clinician, but my philosophy on this is the same for this reason: if the players know that we will send it the other way when the D is good and they go hard to the basket, they will pull up or they will sit down. The game is better,IMO, when the players are not going hell bent for leather to the basket, this philosophy helps that to not happen.

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Agree with #1 and #2 #4. Professionalism.
#3 is obvious.
Agree with #5. Dead ball officiating.
#6 Yes, you don't need to ref the wall.
#7 Pretty rare that the C would be ahead of the new L but yes, split the court in half until you get adjusted.
#8. Yes, trail means trail despite the NCAA guys you sometimes see on TV who want to get ahead of the play and look back at it.
#9 Not sure what the observer means by that one.
#10 Yeah, no blarges. And yield to L if it's a double-whistle involving the secondary defender who came from the lead's area.
#11 You mean we don't call all over the floor and justify it with the "get it right" philosophy? :)
#12 Two refs close in and one stays back to watch everything else.
#13 Know the rules on T's and everything else. Study.
#14 Sometimes no huddle is required. On borderline plays, it is nice to have a partner that comes in and gives a quick opinion.
#15 A reasonable response deserves a reasonable answer but don't initiate conversations and don't respond to comments that aren't questions.
#16 OK
#17 Sounds like observer B.S. If you miss a call, leave it behind and ref the next play. What are 110% calls anyway? You can't be more than 100% right.:rolleyes:
#18 What does that mean?
#19 Huddle when something needs to be talked about by the officials (a specific call or getting everyone on the same page).
#20 I have always believed that if it's a "flip a coin" play, a charge is better. Otherwise you are telling the offense to blast away and you'll reward them by calling a block on the defense.
#21 Huh? I disagree. Don't get too close to the table. If you need to wait for a player to clear out, no big deal.
#22 OK
#23 Yep, always be busy. There is always something to do.
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1. No Hands on Hips EVER inside the lines
2. Don't dribble the ball on the court during a dead ball. You are not a player
3. When reporting fouls - use the correct signal. If he pushed, its a push. If we held, its a hold. etc.
4. Don't Chew Gum
5. When a time out is called, your feet do not move to go to your designated spot until both teams are in their respective huddle. Watch the teams
6. Trail to Lead - look back, don't just run down to trail with your back to the players.
7. If T is beat, C pick up and ref to baseline until Trail can get there.
8. T stay behind the ball in the back court
9. Lead referees 99% of the post on strong side
10. Block / Charge in the post - Fist only, yield to primary (pregame this play)
11. Call in your primary
12. Loose ball on the floor turns into scrum - TWO noses 5" from the ball
13. Technical Fouls - KNOW THE RULES
14. Intentional / Hard Fouls do not need a huddle. It is or its not immediately.
15. Talk to Coaches - he who handles coaches moves career forward.
16. No Bad Tosses - U1 blow it back.
17. When you kick a call, and we all do, your next two whistles should be 110% calls. This will get you back in the groove
18. Don't have to get the game back under control.
19. Huddles - at 1st Media and then end of game.
20. A block is a block. A charge is a charge an if there is ANY question what it is, its a CHARGE
21. When reporting fouls, do so from a spot on the floor where no player can pass between you and the table
22. On Subs, do not put ball in play until the old player is in the coaches box.
23. Be on floor at 30. Check out the court. Find things that will get you in trouble later so you are not surprised. IOW, dont just stand there.

Some other items I picked up

If you want to be one of the 96 - you better be in the correct free throw position on first of 2.

Camp: Issues present themselves - those who handle them, distinguish themselves.

Camp: Be Ready. There are no warm up games in camp when you are there trying to get hired. If you take the first game to "warm up" you will fall behind.

Camp: Looking for leaders. Not U2s

Camp: Deal with Coaches - control your game.

Camp: Get better game to game. It will be noticed.

Other tidbits I wrote down:

Look for opportunities to rotate.
Use your voice / Have a strong Voice
No out of primary calls unless they are must gets.

D1 camp--- lower mid-major.

Hey Scrapper...if I have an intentional from behind I'm coming in with crossed arms and I'm taking the call. And we aint gonna huddle. And I'm going to deal with the coach. And the phone calls after the game.

I agree...WITH DAN!!! :eek: What the heck? I must be ill. ;)

Please list which ones and why. It would make for decent discussion.

Good. Send me your number, I'll have my calls forwarded to you.

That's fine, too. But we both know that there are officials who will defer this call because it's coming right at the Lead or it's out of their of their primary or whatever. I'm not saying that's right or wrong, but if that's my partner and they want to share info with me, I don't think that's so horrible.

This is camp. Not everything that is said at camp is law or should be used. There are many things I agree with and other things I do not agree with. And a lot of what you hear at camp is subject to the level or supervisor that is running the camp. When you are at camp you should decide what works and use it, and figure out what does not work and throw it away.

Peace

So we don't move to report until both teams are in their respective huddles? Or we report, but don't leave the reporting area until both teams are in their respective huddles?

I believe (the intent) the two non-reporting officials should go into dead ball officiating when this happens.

I read this a couple of times too. My take was - Don't let the game get out of control, then, you "don't have to to get the game back under control....."

Yup, and those officials are the guys with a U2 mentality. That clinician(who was also the D1 league assignor iirc) imo is kinda telling you in #14 that he can find U2's anywhere, but if you want to get hired, you should have the mentality of an R. You're willing to take care of bidness and make the tough call without having to hold a vote on it first.

Imo, just make the damn call. If one of your partners wants to share something with you, he can still come to you.....<b>after</b>.

I think that clinician wants officials who officiate with confidence and believe in their own ability. Fwiw I agree with him.

That was my take too. It's hard to get a game that's been out of control back under. It can take a pretty drastic change to the way you're calling the game (admitedly it's probably a change nearer to how the game should have been being called). It's a lot easier to start out tight and loosen up as the players adjust and settle in than to be too loose to start and have to tighten up or reign it in. At least that's my experience.

The list is a good one, but I'll still have my cool apple gum in my mouth next season. I get dry mouth and the gum works for me.

While I agree that too many clinicians talk when they run out of things to say, this is still good advice, especially for the guy who doesn't have a great deal of in-season 3 man game experience. I find out every year when working with guys at camp that aren't new, but worked 80% or more of their games in 2 man, that they don't rotate near enough. Some not at all.

Sure I agree with that. But how is "find a reason to rotate" going to get their azzes over to the other side of the court? It's not IMO

What these guys need are 2 or 3 or 4 good reasons to rotate to work into their game.

I think what advice like this is aimed at is giving the advisee a change of mindset. We've all seen the inexperienced 3-person L perched on the precipice of close down, body leaning forward, unsure if he should really rotate. "Find a reason to rotate" changed my thinking about rotation from wanting to be 110% sure before I went, to literally looking for reasons to do it. Once the mindset was in place, it was fairly simple for clinicians to teach me 2 or 3 or 4 specific triggers I should be looking for.

I think it's the same with the 110% call after kicking one. It's attempting to give the camper something positive to focus on after kicking a call, rather than wallowing and getting skittish about not blowing any more calls. Kind of the same difference in mindset as that between "win" and "don't lose".

Just my $0.02

OK, this one is like whatever. You say potato, I say mushroom soup. Now we disagree. If you think it's tough knowing when to rotate waiting for that 110% moment just wait until you need to get to 110% before you blow the whistle.

There is no way after a call I know is not the best ever made that I will stop blowing my whistle until I am 110% sure there is a need. What if I'm just 107% sure? What if I'm 119% sure but it's sorta kinda out of my primary but is a game changer? You start over thinking this stuff and before you know it you're in the locker room at halftime getting dirty looks from your partners.

Blow a call? Move on. It happens, just don't let it happen again.