2 or 3 Man

[ajs8207]

Would you guys rather:

Run a 2 man system and split the game fee two ways?

or

Run a 3 man system and split the game fee three ways?

This was brought up at our meeting last night. They are somewhat considering going to 3 man for all scholastic games and I was wondering which everyone would rather have.

[JRutledge]

I would rather work 3 Person any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Not even a question.

Now how they pay is another issue and separate. But I would be willing to make sacrifices to work 3 Person on some level. If you want a better officiated game or more quality calls, you have to have 3 Person with well trained officials.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

There was a time when the wording of your question would have led to total war.

Anyway, to answer your question I don't know why your negotiating starting point is to add a 3rd official for absolutely free. Why don't you start from a position of at least 70% of the per official fee going to each of the 3 officials. Your goal should be to preserve as much of the per man fee you have now and move to 3 man... if that makes sense

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

There was a time when the wording of your question would have led to total war.

Anyway, to answer your question I don't know why your negotiating starting point is to add a 3rd official for absolutely free. Why don't you start from a position of at least 70% of the per official fee going to each of the 3 officials. Your goal should be to preserve as much of the per man fee you have now and move to 3 man... if that makes sense

You might want to ask for more than 70% of the per official fee.

Proof:
$50 per official, 2 man game = $100 per game.
$100 per game / 3 officials = $33.33 per official
$33.33 / $50 = 66.66%

75% = $37.50 per official = $112.50 per game
80% = $40 per official = $120 per game

You're asking for $1.67 more

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by lukealex

You might want to ask for more than 70% of the per official fee.

Proof:
$50 per official, 2 man game = $100 per game.
$100 per game / 3 officials = $33.33 per official
$33.33 / $50 = 66.66%

75% = $37.50 per official = $112.50 per game
80% = $40 per official = $120 per game

You're asking for $1.67 more

Math is sooo hard. Anyways...

Do people actually work HS varsity for $50?

I was thinking along the lines of a 15% to 20% drop per man, in your world $40 per official (geeze I think twice before working AAU at $40 a game... but that's another topic).

Net is do not just add a third official for no additional outlay from the school.

[HawkeyeCubP]

Originally Posted by ajs8207

Would you guys rather:

Run a 2 man system and split the game fee two ways?

or

Run a 3 man system and split the game fee three ways?

This was brought up at our meeting last night. They are somewhat considering going to 3 man for all scholastic games and I was wondering which everyone would rather have.

3-person and 3-way split without hesitation. Always.

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Math is sooo hard. Anyways...

Do people actually work HS varsity for $50?

I was thinking along the lines of a 15% to 20% drop per man, in your world $40 per official (geeze I think twice before working AAU at $40 a game... but that's another topic).

Net is do not just add a third official for no additional outlay from the school.

$50 is what I got for varsity in Da UP two years ago, don't know if its changed. Using 50 is much easier for the math too!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by lukealex

$50 is what I got for varsity in Da UP two years ago, don't know if its changed. Using 50 is much easier for the math too!

True. But 100 is even easier still

[lukealex]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

True. But 100 is even easier still

You got me Batman! You got me!

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by lukealex

You got me Batman! You got me!

Well... to be fair I'm only 70% as good as Batman.

that's good, aint it??

[Adam]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Well... to be fair I'm only 70% as good as Batman.

that's good, aint it??

Depends on who Batman is.
And even Batman ain't as good as he once was.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by ajs8207

Would you guys rather:

Run a 2 man system and split the game fee two ways?

or

Run a 3 man system and split the game fee three ways?

This was brought up at our meeting last night. They are somewhat considering going to 3 man for all scholastic games and I was wondering which everyone would rather have.

2...doesn't make any sense to split it 3 ways. The fees paid for 2 just barely cover the cost of actually doing it. It would be an insult to ask officials to take 66% of the money for nearly the same job (same amount of travel, same amount of time, same amount of BS, same amount of expense, a little less physical exertion, and a generally better outcome).

The customers are getting a better product and should fairly pay for what they're getting. That amount may not be the same per official as a 2 person crew but it is certainly NOT the same amount split 3 ways.

[Texas Aggie]

3 man all the way. Not really a money thing for me anymore. I doubt seriously I'll accept a 2 man non-varsity assignment next year, and even the varsity 2 mans are getting scarce.

We are having problems with our younger officials who work 3 man during camps and then don't work it at all during the season. Even some varsity officials get maybe 5-8 3 man games during the year and none after December. You can't get better at 3 man mechanics by working it only 18 times a year. I've suggested that we go 3 man in all high school games which would ensure training of officials and might encourage some older guys to accept sub-varsity assignments on nights they don't have a varsity game.

State associations need to stand up to school districts, many of whom would probably put the fees for an additional official in their budget if they get the notice in time. That's one thing we've heard and while I suspect some districts are saying that as an excuse, for many its true. We've been working 5 man in JV football games for 2 decades around here. No reason not to go to 3 man in HS basketball.

[Nevadaref]

Originally Posted by Dan_ref

Do people actually work HS varsity for $50?

That is what we get in NV for both girls and boys HS varsity 3-man games.

[Mark Padgett]

The number of officials is of no consequence to me, since I always get 100% of the total game fees. The other official(s) work for free because they consider it such an honor to work with me.