Ref chokes coach

[Mark Padgett]

Is that anything like "choking the chicken"?

[SonikBoom]

Im not sure I like this post being hre. I mean, looking at hte blog, I dont tknw if we should even credit wat's said. but even so, i don't think its funny to joke about choking a coach, even if he "deservs" it. Also, I don't see what race has to do with it.

[JRutledge]

I am not trying to be funny, but you cannot say anything and everything to people. I do not advocate what the official did, but we also do not know what the coach said. And considering the acceptability of coaches being abusive to officials, he crossed the wrong person. After all this is a 7th Grade game that has likely an inexperienced or not a very good official.

Peace

[rockyroad]

To me, it doesn't matter one little bit what the coach said to the official. That official was way, way, way out of line to touch the coach in anger, let alone choke the guy. No excuse - I don't care what was said...by the same token, I don't care how bad the official is, the coach doesn't get to choke the official either...if it's true, the official needs to be charged with assault just like a coach would be.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

To me, it doesn't matter one little bit what the coach said to the official. That official was way, way, way out of line to touch the coach in anger, let alone choke the guy. No excuse - I don't care what was said...by the same token, I don't care how bad the official is, the coach doesn't get to choke the official either...if it's true, the official needs to be charged with assault just like a coach would be.

I agree.

[Jurassic Referee]

There isn't enough posted in that article to really allow anyone to form a definitive opinion imo. You don't know the exact circumstances leading up to that pic, and you also don't know the context of the pic.

Personally, I try to not form an opinion until I hear both sides. And until I hear what the official in the pic has to say, I sureashell ain't gonna dump on him. That's just not right to do so imo.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by SonikBoom

Im not sure I like this post being hre. I mean, looking at hte blog, I dont tknw if we should even credit wat's said.

Why, are there a bunch of typos or something?

Originally Posted by SonikBoom

but even so, i don't think its funny to joke about choking a coach, even if he "deservs" it. Also, I don't see what race has to do with it.

My guess is race had everything to do with it. People don't just up and choke someone for no reason. My guess is the coach said something extraordinarily provocative. But it's only a guess.

I'll add that I think the ref should have composed himself instead of losing control; even though I can't say there wouldn't be a circumstance under which I might lose my composure.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Why, are there a bunch of typos or something? My guess is race had everything to do with it. People don't just up and choke someone for no reason. My guess is the coach said something extraordinarily provocative. But it's only a guess.

Race has something to do with just about everything. Just because someone did not use a specific word or come out and say certain things does not dismiss the fact that it plays a big role. Just look at the Presidential Race and how race has been a factor, but people try to act like it has not by stating the obvious. People think because we celebrate a holiday or certain laws have been changed the backdrop of this issue has gone away. It has not.

Peace

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Race has something to do with just about everything. Just because someone did not use a specific word or come out and say certain things does not dismiss the fact that it plays a big role. Just look at the Presidential Race and how race has been a factor, but people try to act like it has not by stating the obvious. People think because we celebrate a holiday or certain laws have been changed the backdrop of this issue has gone away. It has not.

Peace

Not sure whatinthehell this has to do with the original post...but I will say it again - I don't care what was said, it does not justify grabbing someone by the neck (aka choking someone)...and to try to say "It's OK that he choked that guy if the guy said something racist" is just plain stupid.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Not sure whatinthehell this has to do with the original post...but I will say it again - I don't care what was said, it does not justify grabbing someone by the neck (aka choking someone)...and to try to say "It's OK that he choked that guy if the guy said something racist" is just plain stupid.

You obviously did not read the article. And you obviously did not read a couple responses after the OP.

Once again, no one said it was OK. After all we are human beings and when you say certain things to human beings or behave in a manner, they may act in a way that is outside of the game. That goes for an official, coach, player or fan. Often conflicts in games go outside that arena. And if someone does not adhere to "your standard" of professionalism, then it really does not matter in the long run if they decide to assault you or harm you more than choking you.

I have seen it enough times where a game conflict becomes bigger than what happens between the lines.

Peace

[Dan_ref]

Oh good.

Anther sociology 101 thread.

Haven't had one of those in a while.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

Race has something to do with just about everything. Just because someone did not use a specific word or come out and say certain things does not dismiss the fact that it plays a big role. Just look at the Presidential Race and how race has been a factor, but people try to act like it has not by stating the obvious. People think because we celebrate a holiday or certain laws have been changed the backdrop of this issue has gone away. It has not.

Peace

This is where we diverge, I think. I'll agree that race is playing a role in the campaign, but I don't think anyone thinks the "backdrop" has gone away. It has changed, inarguably for the better, over the past 50 years. But no one says it's gone away. The debate is on how best to proceed from here.

That said, if indeed the coach engaged in a bit of race baiting, I put the bulk of the blame on him because he knew very well what he was doing. If he didn't, he had every responsibility to foresee it. Again, that's "if" he was race baiting.

I'm sure the official, if he had it to do over again, would have restrained himself. I could be wrong, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the official here (based on my own strongly set biases) over the coach. I've known some hotheaded officials, but none who would get physical without significant provocation; regardless of their skin color.

[JRutledge]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

This is where we diverge, I think. I'll agree that race is playing a role in the campaign, but I don't think anyone thinks the "backdrop" has gone away. It has changed, inarguably for the better, over the past 50 years. But no one says it's gone away. The debate is on how best to proceed from here.

That said, if indeed the coach engaged in a bit of race baiting, I put the bulk of the blame on him because he knew very well what he was doing. If he didn't, he had every responsibility to foresee it. Again, that's "if" he was race baiting.

I'm sure the official, if he had it to do over again, would have restrained himself. I could be wrong, but I'm giving the benefit of the doubt to the official here (based on my own strongly set biases) over the coach. I've known some hotheaded officials, but none who would get physical without significant provocation; regardless of their skin color.

We really do not disagree at all.

I hope that it was not the case where the coach used any kind of language, but something tells me that is the case. Of course I have no idea for sure, but I have a hunch.

Peace

[Nevadaref]

Lock it. Lock it NOW!!!

[Adam]

Originally Posted by JRutledge

We really do not disagree at all.

I hope that it was not the case where the coach used any kind of language, but something tells me that is the case. Of course I have no idea for sure, but I have a hunch.

Peace

My hunch is the same as yours. It just doesn't smell right.