New Fed basketball Rules--2008/09

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Rock Chalk

why would they make this change without letting them in on the release?

i don't understand the change if they don't allow them in on the release.

won't it really diminish the chance of an offensive rebound?

The way the rule has been the last few years, the offensive player in the second lane space actually had the best chances of getting the rebound - and I'm sure we've all seen that in games. This way, the defensive player has that spot and now has the reaction time to allow them to get the rebound. Not allowing them in on the release cuts down the amount of contact - so the rules committee takes care of two concerns - the amount of "rough" play and the number of offensive rebounds on free throws.

[Nevadaref]

The three main changes that were made are excellent. There were a few other items that I would have liked to have seen implemented (coach's ability to request TO during a live ball), but I'll just do what Cubs fans do and wait 'til next year.

[26 Year Gap]

Will the POE on mechanics and signals mean the stocks for any official who uses the Dracula mechanic?

[Mark Dexter]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Will the POE on mechanics and signals mean the stocks for any official who uses the Dracula mechanic?

Dracula mechanic?

[Rich]

Originally Posted by Mark Dexter

Dracula mechanic?

Would that also be known as the "creeping death foul?"

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Will the POE on mechanics and signals mean the stocks for any official who uses the Dracula mechanic?

Or is it the "Frankenstein Mechanic" for "over the back"! If so, I'm in with the punishment fitting the crime!

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by grunewar

Or is it the "Frankenstein Mechanic" for "over the back"! If so, I'm in with the punishment fitting the crime!

Yes I know there would be no shadow if the guy was a REAL vampire.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

Yes I know there would be no shadow if the guy was a REAL vampire.

Don't real vampires only work baseball?

[26 Year Gap]

just night games

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

The way the rule has been the last few years, the offensive player in the second lane space actually had the best chances of getting the rebound - and I'm sure we've all seen that in games.

That suggests that there were more offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds?? I have not seen that to be the case. Perhaps there are more offensive rebounds than when players entered on the release. Perhaps there are more than what the NCAA was observing after moving the players up the lane....but not a majority to the offense.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

That suggests that there were more offensive rebounds than defensive rebounds?? I have not seen that to be the case. Perhaps there are more offensive rebounds than when players entered on the release. Perhaps there are more than what the NCAA was observing after moving the players up the lane....but not a majority to the offense.

I was thinking the same thing. I don't see the offensive team rebound a FT nearly as often as the defensive team. But then the Kentucky study and the Georgia study seem to have produced different results. So maybe things are different in Seattle too?

[rockyroad]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

I was thinking the same thing. I don't see the offensive team rebound a FT nearly as often as the defensive team. But then the Kentucky study and the Georgia study seem to have produced different results. So maybe things are different in Seattle too?

Seriously??? That's definitely NOT what I have seen...anything that has a soft bounce off the rim is usually controlled by the inside player, but if it takes a wild bounce or a longer bounce, the player in the second space has more time to react and usually gets that rebound.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Seriously??? That's definitely NOT what I have seen...anything that has a soft bounce off the rim is usually controlled by the inside player, but if it takes a wild bounce or a longer bounce, the player in the second space has more time to react and usually gets that rebound.

I see those wild/long bounces going sometimes to the 3rd player even....back to the defense.

I guess it also depends on the local standard of how much contact is allowed from each player and which player benefits from the specific contact that is allowed (or vice versa).

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by rockyroad

Seriously??? That's definitely NOT what I have seen...anything that has a soft bounce off the rim is usually controlled by the inside player, but if it takes a wild bounce or a longer bounce, the player in the second space has more time to react and usually gets that rebound.

Maybe it's the thin air up here in the mountains?

I'm going to make a more concious effort in my games this week to tally who gets the rebounds. But I'd be surprised if it's different than my current perception.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

Maybe it's the thin air up here in the mountains?

I'm going to make a more concious effort in my games this week to tally who gets the rebounds. But I'd be surprised if it's different than my current perception.

Make a concious effort to tally the number of times the defensive player in the first position gets pinned near or under the backboard by the offensive player just holding his space off the missed FT (what the coaches call boxing out). That is what the ncaa m wanted to eliminate simply because they felt that not enough of the rebounds went to the defense. Not at all the majority went to the offense, just that the offense was getting more than they should. And it worked IMO. Granted it's not as clear under nfhs rules where they can't move off the release, but obviously the fed thought this was a good idea so there you have it. Not a bad change IMO.