Men's Championship Game

[caliref]

What about when Rush went in for a layup early in the game and the Memphis guy undercut Rush. Why no intentional Foul?

[Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.]

Originally Posted by caliref

What about when Rush went in for a layup early in the game and the Memphis guy undercut Rush. Why no intentional Foul?

It should had been a flagrant personal foul. And I am not saying that because I am a KU fan either.

MTD, Sr.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by Mark T. DeNucci, Sr.

It should had been a flagrant personal foul. And I am not saying that because I am a KU fan either.

MTD, Sr.

You forgot your smiley face.

No way that was flagrant...ever. Relatively little contact as he ran by him....both at full speed. He was trying to avoid it but misjudged where the shooter was going to go. Sure it happened to topple him, but the defender didn't duck down under and take his legs out.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

You forgot your smiley face.

No way that was flagrant...ever. Relatively little contact as he ran by him....both at full speed. He was trying to avoid it but misjudged where the shooter was going to go. Sure it happened to topple him, but the defender didn't duck down under and take his legs out.

The first time, and each time, I saw it, I thought that the defender did undercut the shooter with intention.

Was he just trying to cause the shooter to alter his shot? I don't think so.
Was he trying to injure the shooter? I don't think so.
They don't even do that undercut in the NBA. The defender steps away and watches because the repercussions would be enormous.

The defender angled under him and slowed. in order to be in the path. He knew exactly where the shooter was, and he knew exactly what the result was going to be.

Then why wasn't the intentional called? Because the defender made no other overt move at the shooter, because the shooter didn't get hurt and because the officials did not think the game would be better for such a call [much like the no-call on the 25' bouncy ball].

Did the defender know what he was doing ? You can take it to the bank.

[Camron Rust]

Originally Posted by mick

The first time, and each time, I saw it, I thought that the defender did undercut the shooter with intention.

Was he just trying to cause the shooter to alter his shot? I don't think so.
Was he trying to injure the shooter? I don't think so.
They don't even do that undercut in the NBA. The defender steps away and watches because the repercussions would be enormous.

The defender angled under him and slowed. in order to be in the path. He knew exactly where the shooter was, and he knew exactly what the result was going to be.

Then why wasn't the intentional called? Because the defender made no other overt move at the shooter, because the shooter didn't get hurt and because the officials did not think the game would be better for such a call [much like the no-call on the 25' bouncy ball].

Did the defender know what he was doing ? You can take it to the bank.

Sure he tried to be in his way (isn't that defense). But it was far from flagrant. He had not intent to harm or injure or create vicious contact. He didn't bend over to submarine him. He just got in front of him.

[mick]

Originally Posted by Camron Rust

Sure he tried to be in his way (isn't that defense). But it was far from flagrant. He had not intent to harm or injure or create vicious contact. He didn't bend over to submarine him. He just got in front of him.

Ha! I guess he did, but it would have been more sporting to be facing the opponent. Defender knew what he was doing, and so do I.

[TSU2457]

Originally Posted by mick

Ha! I guess he did, but it would have been more sporting to be facing the opponent. Defender knew what he was doing, and so do I.

I'll give you that he knew that he would run into the shooter. But at the speed of the play do you think he knew, or seriously expected, the outcome?

My first reaction was flagrant, maybe I changed my mind with the way he helped the guy to his feet after the play? I know that's not the right way to call the came, just making an observation.