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Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 09:34am
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These unemployed religious gun nuts need to lighten up.
I worry about the employed religious gun nuts. They can afford bullets.
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Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 09:53am
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I worry about the employed religious gun nuts. They can afford bullets.
But they're not bitter....
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Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 10:01am
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But they're not bitter....
Yep. We really need to keep our eyes on the under-employed religious gun nuts who are bitter but have some income.
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Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 10:09am
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Yep. We really need to keep our eyes on the under-employed religious gun nuts who are bitter but have some income.
I'm really worried about the self-employed bible-thumping gun-toting xenophobes.
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Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 10:17am
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These unemployed religious gun nuts need to lighten up.
Remember now that this only applies to those unemployed religious gun nuts in Pennsylvania...out here in Washington State, the unemployed religious gun nuts just go out into the woods and pick mushrooms - so they can always afford a few bullets!
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Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 10:25am
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I'm really worried about the self-employed bible-thumping gun-toting xenophobes.
As long as they don't have an irrational hatred of foreigners they are harmless, like this guy for instance

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Remember now that this only applies to those unemployed religious gun nuts in Pennsylvania...out here in Washington State, the unemployed religious gun nuts just go out into the woods and pick mushrooms - so they can always afford a few bullets!
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Old Wed Apr 16, 2008, 12:32pm
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In response to Back In The Saddle's self-serving diatribe in favor of the perpetual buddy club

What an absolute crock. I've been lurking for a long time, but this crock is so bad I had to remember my junk mail box name and register.

Playing good old boy politics is just an excuse for excluding people who are threatening, be it younger people, darker people or people of a different gender or orientation.

The fact is, ability should be paramount in assigning and promoting officials, not being pals. The only people who defend placing politics above ability are the people being protected by the politics. The fact is incompetent people who are buddies get favorable treatment because they are members of the buddy club.

Your answer is to join the buddy club.

Pathetic.
If you think that decisions in just about any form of life are made where the top people based on ability alone are chosen, then you are really out of touch with life, not just officiating. And we could be talking about college admissions, industry or political elections, and who is the most qualified or has the most "merit" is not only subjective but not everyone is going to agree.

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Old Thu Apr 17, 2008, 11:39pm
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I doubt BITS disagrees that ability should be paramount. He's simply stating that politics are always going to exist in any system so you have choices - you can either do your best to work within that system, or you can refuse to do so and try to change it. If you think a system is patently unfair, then don't work there or try to change it. But if it doesn't change to your benefit, you can be pissed about it, but that won't get you more games.

I thought BITS' statement was spot-on in that all systems exist for reasons - some good and some bad - and if you want to work the best and most games, the way to do that is to figure out how to work within that system.

If you simply can't because you believe it is immoral or unethical - more than just a PITA and less than fair - then work somewhere else or work to change it. But just *****ing about the "old boys club" won't get anything done but let you project your disappointment on someone else.

Most of these "buddy clubs" you talk about simply aren't as bad as you make them out to be. Do you often have to network and abide by rules? Yes. Is that bad? I don't see how.

I haven't been officiating a long time, and I've been exposed to a couple different setups. They each are different and they each have their own politics/challenges. But each system has one belief in common: officiating is about more than just calling the game. It's about being dependable, being cooperative and working well with your other officials. These are things that some call "politics." Many who understand this are simply tired of hearing the whining.
Thank you. I could hardly have said it better.
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Old Mon Apr 21, 2008, 08:50am
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Well, gee, I guess if being asked to work with people who can't chug up and down the floor, can't see and think points of emphysis is a fairy tale, then I guess I'm bitter. Personally, I'm doing fine, but I see better officials in middle school games than in some varsity contests.

I never suggested that the non-cooperative ought to advance. But when the incompetent are protected, or people don't advance because "son/miss, you just haven't been doing it long enough, like old Fred over there" then it's politics at its worst and people who defend it are defending their comfortable status quo.
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Old Mon Apr 21, 2008, 10:11am
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Well, gee, I guess if being asked to work with people who can't chug up and down the floor, can't see and think points of emphysis is a fairy tale, then I guess I'm bitter. Personally, I'm doing fine, but I see better officials in middle school games than in some varsity contests.

I never suggested that the non-cooperative ought to advance. But when the incompetent are protected, or people don't advance because "son/miss, you just haven't been doing it long enough, like old Fred over there" then it's politics at its worst and people who defend it are defending their comfortable status quo.
Get off your high horse. BITS never defended what you're complaining about.
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Old Mon Apr 21, 2008, 12:41pm
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Well, gee, I guess if being asked to work with people who can't chug up and down the floor, can't see and think points of emphysis is a fairy tale, then I guess I'm bitter. Personally, I'm doing fine, but I see better officials in middle school games than in some varsity contests.

I never suggested that the non-cooperative ought to advance. But when the incompetent are protected, or people don't advance because "son/miss, you just haven't been doing it long enough, like old Fred over there" then it's politics at its worst and people who defend it are defending their comfortable status quo.
Get your a$$ out there and seen by the local HS varsity coaches. Do their summer tournamnets and camps - volunteer to do them for free if you have to. Make sure they see how good you are. Then they will start contacting the assignors and asking "Hey, why isn't this stud working our regular season games? He's way better than old Fred you keep sending out."

In other words, quit the freaking whining about politics and do what YOU need to do to move up. Until then, it's all just sour grapes.
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Old Mon Apr 21, 2008, 07:56pm
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Well, gee, I guess if being asked to work with people who can't chug up and down the floor, can't see and think points of emphysis is a fairy tale, then I guess I'm bitter. Personally, I'm doing fine, but I see better officials in middle school games than in some varsity contests.

I never suggested that the non-cooperative ought to advance. But when the incompetent are protected, or people don't advance because "son/miss, you just haven't been doing it long enough, like old Fred over there" then it's politics at its worst and people who defend it are defending their comfortable status quo.
Everywhere you go, you will find there is a system of some kind in place. Some are better, some are worse. Some are blatantly protecting officials whose "sell by dates" are long past. Blah blah blah.

So what are you going to do about it? If you work in an area where The Society for the Protection of Fred run the show, what are you going to do about it? Are you going to sit on the sidelines and whine about it? Or are you going to figure out how to work within that system, flawed though it may be, to advance? Because unless you have the power to change the system, those are really your only two choices.

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It's easier to go on a web board and anonymously b1tch about it.
'Tis the truth you're speaking.
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