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fullor30 Wed Apr 02, 2008 10:14am

Strange non mechanic
 
Watching Tenn. A&M last night and late in game ball goes out on baseline, couldn't tell off who. Lead literally looked at it for what seemed 4-5 seconds with no reaction and finally signalled. She appeared to be yelling something at a player prior to the signal and not who's ball it was. Strangest thing I've seen all year.

Anybody see it? Maybe I missed something.

jdw3018 Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:04am

Any chance she was actually asking for help from another official?

rainmaker Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:33am

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Originally Posted by fullor30
Watching Tenn. A&M last night and late in game ball goes out on baseline, couldn't tell off who. Lead literally looked at it for what seemed 4-5 seconds with no reaction and finally signalled. She appeared to be yelling something at a player prior to the signal and not who's ball it was. Strangest thing I've seen all year.

Anybody see it? Maybe I missed something.

perhaps it seemed obvious to the lead who should get the ball, and she didn't think she needed to signal? Then realized that no one else had seen it that way?

perhaps she was trying to get the player to fess up that she (player) had touched it?

M&M Guy Wed Apr 02, 2008 11:55am

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Originally Posted by fullor30
Watching Tenn. A&M last night and late in game ball goes out on baseline, couldn't tell off who. Lead literally looked at it for what seemed 4-5 seconds with no reaction and finally signalled. She appeared to be yelling something at a player prior to the signal and not who's ball it was. Strangest thing I've seen all year.

Anybody see it? Maybe I missed something.

In women's mechanics, if the L needs help on an OOB call, they can look out to the C or T and verbalize "Need help!", or something to that effect, before giving a signal. This is especially useful on a pass or shot that originated from outside the L's primary. Their partner will signal the direction based on their knowledge. Perhaps that's what you saw, was the L asking their partner(s) for help on the call, and not actually yelling at a player. Once the partner gives the signal, the L mirrors it, and puts the ball in play.

This situation is usually a standard discussion in pre-game.

fullor30 Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:06pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018
Any chance she was actually asking for help from another official?

No, as she was wide and looking along the baseline. By her body language, it seemed like she was visibly upset at a player and barked at her before she signalled( you'd have to see it).

It just looked very odd. Hey, maybe she just had a lapse.


That said, I'm on the couch and it wasn't a close up shot of the official. C could have been down low and she was looking over for help. I'd love to see it again.


Edit.........it did happen out of her primary.

just another ref Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:12pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker

perhaps she was trying to get the player to fess up that she (player) had touched it?


Is this something you do?

rainmaker Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:22pm

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Originally Posted by just another ref
Is this something you do?

no way! And it was mostly a joke. But I have seen refs ask players if they touched the ball. Not sure I've seen it at that level of play, though.

Adam Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:26pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
no way! And it was mostly a joke. But I have seen refs ask players if they touched the ball. Not sure I've seen it at that level of play, though.

If you have, it was likely that official's last game at that level; unless she has enough credility that everyone knows she was joking.

just another ref Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:45pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
no way! And it was mostly a joke. But I have seen refs ask players if they touched the ball. Not sure I've seen it at that level of play, though.


I do it quite a bit, but after I've made the call.

Raymond Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:53pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
In women's mechanics, if the L needs help on an OOB call, they can look out to the C or T and verbalize "Need help!", or something to that effect, before giving a signal. This is especially useful on a pass or shot that originated from outside the L's primary. Their partner will signal the direction based on their knowledge. Perhaps that's what you saw, was the L asking their partner(s) for help on the call, and not actually yelling at a player. Once the partner gives the signal, the L mirrors it, and puts the ball in play.

This situation is usually a standard discussion in pre-game.

What's the men's mechanic for seeking help?

grunewar Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:55pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
perhaps she was trying to get the player to fess up that she (player) had touched it?

I like it when I emphatically make the call.....perhaps even hearing a chorus of boos from those scholars in the crowd who are watching the game with their hearts and not their eyes.....but seeing the player you called the out of bounds on, turn quietly and go the other way, KNOWING you got it exactly right! ;)

jdw3018 Wed Apr 02, 2008 01:04pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
What's the men's mechanic for seeking help?

Obviously officials do the same (or something similar) on the men's side, but this mechanic is explicitly laid out in the women's officials manual, and includes that the official is to verbalize "Help" to the other official.

fullor30 Wed Apr 02, 2008 01:06pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
What's the men's mechanic for seeking help?

here's the women's


http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/33241...5A1E4F32AD3138

Raymond Wed Apr 02, 2008 01:12pm

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Originally Posted by jdw3018
Obviously officials do the same (or something similar) on the men's side, but this mechanic is explicitly laid out in the women's officials manual, and includes that the official is to verbalize "Help" to the other official.

Oh, ok...I've always done it that way. And I always pre-game that that's what I'm going to do. I hate when an official needs help and just kinda looks at you like you're supposed to read his mind.

fullor30 Wed Apr 02, 2008 01:23pm

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Oh, ok...I've always done it that way. And I always pre-game that that's what I'm going to do. I hate when an official needs help and just kinda looks at you like you're supposed to read his mind.

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I blow, raise hand and look for help with conviction........always pregame.

I've had partners shrug shoulders and look for help.:eek:


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