Inbounding and backboard slapping

[Adam]

If you've determined the players aren't going to inbound the ball, call an immediate throw-in violation. Case play 9.2.2C is clear on this. My guess is they want it called because the team could easily score within 5 seconds, and then the other team could be on their way down the court before you get to your count. There could be other rules to deal with this, but it's just easier to call the violation once it's clear they aren't going to do a proper throwin.

In spite of what the Vail Christian varsity coach tried to tell me this past season, slapping the backboard is legal if it is the result of legitimate play (attempting to block a shot, trying for a rebound, etc.) It is not legal if it is purposefully done.

[BillyMac]

Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

[Adam]

Billy. good answer, but it's a good answer to a different question.

[jdmara]

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know BI could not be called on a slapped backboard.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by jdmara

Thanks for clearing that up. I didn't know BI could not be called on a slapped backboard.

You're killing me. Now I might have to apologize to Billy.

[jdmara]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

You're killing me. Now I might have to apologize to Billy.

I guess I'll have to apologize to you then. Although I've been doing basketball for quite a few years (about 5), I still don't claim to know a lot. HA! I'm really a baseball umpire turned basketball official who calls a consistent game. Although most think it's consistently bad

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by jdmara

I'm really a baseball umpire turned basketball official who calls a consistent game. Although most think it's consistently bad.

From my local board's Guidelines For Evaluation:

CONSISTENCY
Is consistent in all calls regardless of situation or point of time in the game. For example consistency in the determination of a block vs. a charge.

It sounds like we need to offer you membership on our board.

[jritchie]

Originally Posted by BillyMac

Slapping the backboard is neither basket interference nor is it goaltending and points cannot be awarded. A player who strikes a backboard so forcefully that it cannot be ignored because it is an attempt to draw attention to the player, or a means of venting frustration, may be assessed a technical foul. When a player simply attempts to block a shot and accidentally slaps the backboard it is neither a violation nor is it a technical foul.

I think this is why they are supposed to look at this again this year. We have some guys that will go for a blocked shot and shake the heck out of the backboard and rim and on some baskets they will actually move the ones that are the old style still attached to the ceilings and WE CAN CALL NOTHING! Don't agree with that at all... if i go for a blocked shot and move the rim back and forth and cause the ball to come off because of me hitting it, the official should be able to call basket interference. Anyone agree????

[dkmz17]

I would agree. I have seen some guys slap the backboard hard enough to affect a shot like a layup or a shot that is "hanging" on the rim or the heel of the rim. I would suggest that if the player goes for a block and strikes part of the ball and then hits the backboard that should be legal, but if the player misses the ball entirely and then strikes the backboard that should be illegal and the basket should count.

[Adam]

Originally Posted by dkmz17

I would agree. I have seen some guys slap the backboard hard enough to affect a shot like a layup or a shot that is "hanging" on the rim or the heel of the rim. I would suggest that if the player goes for a block and strikes part of the ball and then hits the backboard that should be legal, but if the player misses the ball entirely and then strikes the backboard that should be illegal and the basket should count.

If we're going to do it, keep it "simple." If the slap makes the rim vibrate or move while the ball is in the cylinder, call BI. Don't worry about whether the blocker makes any contact with the ball.

[jritchie]

I agree with that! If it causes the ball to come out, BI, simple enough! Would get more people calling that than the technical that shouldn't be called in the first place.

[BillyMac]

Way back, didn't the NFHS slapping the backboard rule include something about the backboard, or basket, vibrating?

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0WTbx6WuP...te/wayback.jpg

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Case play 9.2.2C is clear on this.

NFHS 9.2.2 Situation C: A1 scores a basket. After the ball goes through the net, B1grabs it and makes a move toward the end line as though preparing to make a throw-in. However, B1 never legally steps out of bounds, both feet remain inbounds. B1 immediately passes the ball up the court to a fast-breaking teammate, who scores a basket.
Ruling: Cancel Team B's goal, throw-in violation on B1. The ball was at B1's disposal after the made basket to make a throw-in. B1 must be out of bounds to make a legal throw-in. (7-4-3; 7-5-7)

[JS 20]

I had this same situation earlier in the year and posted my question on this forum. B1 hits a shot, A1 catches directly under the net after it goes through, makes NO attempt to get OB, throws an outlet pass to A2 who goes up court. I hit the whistle and signal a throw-in violation. I don't feel 9.2.2 C covers my situation or yours b/c the player doesn't make an attempt to get OB, however I still say this is a violation. If you disagree with me, what if before you can blow it dead, the defense fouls? Then there's a problem. So I say you have a violation for not having a legal throw in.

[grunewar]

Originally Posted by JS 20

I had this same situation earlier in the year and posted my question on this forum. B1 hits a shot, A1 catches directly under the net after it goes through, makes NO attempt to get OB, throws an outlet pass to A2 who goes up court. I hit the whistle and signal a throw-in violation. I don't feel 9.2.2 C covers my situation or yours b/c the player doesn't make an attempt to get OB, however I still say this is a violation. If you disagree with me, what if before you can blow it dead, the defense fouls? Then there's a problem. So I say you have a violation for not having a legal throw in.

I don't believe this part of the situation has any bearing on the Case. Bottom line is player never properly inbounded the ball. Period.