Official working both the Men and Women's NCAA Tournament in the same Year!
 

For all of you who were convinced it was impossible last year (see http://forum.officiating.com/showthread.php?t=32655 ) it WILL happen this year.

There is a D-I official working a Men's game tonight and a Women's game on Sunday. I will post links to box scores after Sunday's games.

I don't want to get into the details yet, because there is more secrecy with who's working what game this year than there is about what really happened to Jimmy Hoffa. We can all thank Mr Donaghy for that.

It's gotta be Scofield, right?

Jimmy Hoffa is alive and well and working at a 7-11 in North Dakota with Elvis. I thought everybody knew that. In fact, I was there a few weeks ago. I drove up into the parking lot and Elvis was closing the store down. I told him their sign said they were open 24 hours. He replied, "Huh, not in a row."

My kingdom for some meds.

Nice theft from Steven Wright. :D

In reviewing the thread you referenced, it seems that YOU were one of the biggest doubters in the bunch.:rolleyes:

But if you actually took your meds, you'd have no kingdom.

I wasn't a doubter. I merely reported the facts. Last year, they said it was impossible. This year however, the women's side planned for it and assigned a Sunday site accordingly.

You think the women planned it, so they could poach a men's ref? LOL. I seriously doubt it.

I will become impressed when an official works both the men's and women's side of the NCAA and NIT tournaments! :D

Priceless ! :)

Someone had to have planned something to ensure availability.

And it's not "poaching" because the official obviously works both on a regular basis. Poaching connotes taking something that isn't yours, so to speak. This is clearly not the case here. It's simply two organizations making sure they both get a piece of the same official.

You mean an official can be excellent in men's AND women's basketball? Say it isn't so. Heresy! And I had always heard that it was impossible to adjust to the differences between the two levels. :rolleyes:

Welmer!!
 

:cool: Just give ole Steverino time! HE'LL GET THERE!!:cool:

If anyone did the poaching, it was the men. He was a women's official first but works 20+ games on both sides now.

There's a conference that has the same assignor for both sides and encourages some officials to do both if they would like.

Your words, not mine.

Okay so assuming that all the facts stated in this thread are correct, namely that

...I could agree with Dan that someone may planned something so a single ref could work both tourneys, although it seems a little far-fetched to me. But that's a lot different from what AZ-REF said

..that the women's side did the planning and actually chose a site presumably based on a site that the men had already reserved.

Seems more likely that the planning that happened was that one assignor (either men's or women's) wanted to use this person, knew it was possible the other assignor would want to, and they contacted each other and planned their assignments (not the sites!) based on a win-win philosophy.

Not everyone distinguishes between the two games by calling them "levels". And not everyone thinks it's impossible to adjust between the two styles.

Amen!!! I'm coming to your church because the message is truth.

I'm with you rainmaker. My post was entirely sarcastic. I have seen posts where people say you cannot ref women's ball and also be a good ref for men's ball and I've always found it ridiculous. :)

That's odd. I don't remember seeing those posts. I remember seeing people burn down this particular strawman, but I've never seen the actual claims you speak of.

What I have seen, however, is people claim that just being good at one particular game or the other (mens or womens) does not mean the official will necessarily be good at the other.

Hey, we have people trying to start a religion and religious war here both at the same time. Do not confuse them with the facts.

I get that a lot.

Confusion?

Quiet, tin man.

I'm also practicing cantankerousness...

I think the word you're looking for is "channeling."

Infidel.

:D

I prefer "heretic," but "infidel" works, too. ;)

No no, he's a practicing Cantankerite.

They're like Calvinists, only not as open to the beauty of the human spirit and the idea that we all have inherent worth.

Shut up. You're worthless.

(How am I doing?)

You need more practice.

You've broken my spirit.

If this is the case, I guess this official decided in advance that he will work 1 NCAA Men's tourney and be done with the Men's tourney? I say this because, my understanding is that officials advance through the tourney just as the teams do, or in other words, once you sit out a round, you're done. By choosing to work a 1st round men's game on Thursday, and then a first round Women's game on Sunday, I would think that said official will not be available for any Saturday Men's games either due to needing to get to his women's assignment site. Am I missing something here?

Man, are you thin-skinned.

I don't know all the specifics as to the NCAA tournament scheduling. But I do know games for the men's and women's tournament are on different days, so a lot of the logistics would have to do with the times and locations of games. Looking at it from a regular season perspective, a vast majority of the top officials have no problem getting from site to site by the next day. It's not like football, where they have to be there for the pre-game the night before; as long as they are at the game site at the required time (usually 1.5 to 2 hrs. ahead). I don't see how it would be any different for this official.

That's what DJ's assigner said. She wasn't pleased.

Yabut he didn't call me unprofessional so it's a good day.

1st & 2nd round assignments are given out at the same time. The officials go to the opening round already knowing whether or not they will be working 2 games or only 1 game. It's possible to only work a 1st round game and still be selected for the Sweet 16.

One Big Adjustment ...
 

I'm a high school varsity official who also does Catholic school games on weekends, down to the "level" of fourth, and fifth, grade, boys, and girls.

The biggest adjustment that I find I have to make, is from a Thursday night girls varsity game, to a Friday night boys varsity game. Not vice versa, and not with any other "level" change from night to night, or day to day. I guess that it has to do with calling a game below the rim, to calling a game above the rim?

Extra credit to socallref for guessing correctly.

He had the UCLA - Mississippi Valley State game on Thursday:

http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=284000032


And the Iowa - Georgia women's game today:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncw/boxscore?gameId=284000017


As a side note he was one of the 3 officials suspended by the big sky this year. One of the other's Eric Curry had the USC - Kansas State game. Glad to see they still earned postseason assignments.

I think that's where we all wanna get to... goof up majorly and it doesn't affect the schedule too much. I guess it's better to goof at the top than on your way up.