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TXMATTHEW05 Sat Mar 02, 2002 10:08pm

Big play-off game tonight. Here's the situation:

Team B clobbers A1 on a layup. It was obvious he wasn't going for the ball, but for the person. The referee just calls it a personal foul - but then the foulee gets up, starts throwing around his arms, screaming, and it looks like he is trying to get into the fouler's face. What do you do?

I would have called an intentional foul on B1, then probably a flagrant technical on A1 - or maybe a technical, either one. But the fact is, the referee's let it slide. The game was vicious from then on. It somewhat "set the mood," if you will. Your opinion?

williebfree Sat Mar 02, 2002 10:26pm

A lot of extra info needed
 
TXMatt...

There are so many other factors that would "weigh in" on my call, but let's say this is on the first drive to the basket after the opening tip.

I call it a personal foul on the initial contact.

Then the foulee is throwing around his arms, screaming, and it looks like he is trying to get into the fouler's face.
Then I either get "foulee's" attention and let him know he needs to get under control OR I "T" the foulee and we move on from there...

P.S. If it is later in the game and there had been a "warning" for a previous incident, I go straight to the "T".


Larks Sat Mar 02, 2002 10:46pm

Quote:

Originally posted by TXMATTHEW05
Big play-off game tonight. Here's the situation:

Team B clobbers A1 on a layup. It was obvious he wasn't going for the ball, but for the person. The referee just calls it a personal foul - but then the foulee gets up, starts throwing around his arms, screaming, and it looks like he is trying to get into the fouler's face. What do you do?

I would have called an intentional foul on B1, then probably a flagrant technical on A1 - or maybe a technical, either one. But the fact is, the referee's let it slide. The game was vicious from then on. It somewhat "set the mood," if you will. Your opinion?

Sounds like a moment of truth! That point where a game will or will not become a wrastlin match.


ChuckElias Sun Mar 03, 2002 06:54am

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Larks
Quote:

Sounds like a moment of truth! That point where a game will or will not become a wrastlin match.
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You beat me to it, Larks. That was exactly my thought when I read the original post. This is a moment that could determine the tone for the entire rest of the game. In this case, if the defender just used two hands to bring the shooter to the floor, or to push him away from the basket, I think you HAVE to have an intentional. If not, the shooter may start looking to even the score later. Then all heck can break loose.

Chuck


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