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All_Heart Mon Mar 17, 2008 01:47pm

NCAA - Stopping Clock in last 59.9 seconds
 
Is the clock supposed to stop on field goals if the field goal is successful above 59.9 seconds but the throw-in is completed under 59.9 seconds?

For example: A field goal is successful with 1:02 showing on the clock but the throw-in doesn't take place until 0:57 is showing on the clock. Should the clock have stopped at 59.9 or is supposed to run?

The rule seems to read that the field goal has to be successful with 59.9 seconds or less on the clock, for it to be stopped.



07-08 NCAA

5.10.10 Recognizes each successful field goal in the last 59.9 seconds of the second half or any extra period, which includes a timer’s or clock operator’s mistake or an inadvertent whistle.

2.10.12 Stop the game clock after a successful field goal with 59.9 seconds or less remaining in the game or any extra period with no substitution allowed during the dead-ball period, which would include a timer’s mistake or an inadvertent whistle by an official.

Dan_ref Mon Mar 17, 2008 02:01pm

If there's 1:00 or more on the clock it keeps running, regardless of how long the throw-in takes.

59.9 or less it stops when the ball goes through.

Scrapper1 Mon Mar 17, 2008 03:11pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
If there's 1:00 or more on the clock it keeps running, regardless of how long the throw-in takes.

59.9 or less it stops when the ball goes through.

Yup.

M&M Guy Mon Mar 17, 2008 04:21pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Yup.

I agree with Dan.

Jurassic Referee Mon Mar 17, 2008 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I agree with Dan.

I agree with Scrapper.

Adam Mon Mar 17, 2008 04:26pm

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Originally Posted by M&M Guy
I agree with Dan.

Oh! Ouch!
Don't make Scrappy too mad, he might wet the carpet.

Adam Mon Mar 17, 2008 04:27pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
Yup.

I agree with GSDOTU.

All_Heart Mon Mar 17, 2008 04:28pm

Thanks Dan (and also Scrapper1 and M&M :))

This happened in the UGA/ARK game. Arkansas scored with about 1:02 on the clock and the clock ran down to around 0:55. An official (A.Jordan) blew his whistle and conferred with his partner for a couple of seconds. I think they added a couple of tenths of a second to the time but did not put it at or near 59.9.

Does anyone know what the NBA rule is regarding this? Jordan used to work in the NBA so I'm guessing the rule is different and he got them mixed up.

eyezen Mon Mar 17, 2008 05:17pm

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Originally Posted by All_Heart
Thanks Dan (and also Scrapper1 and M&M :))

Jordan used to work in the NBA so I'm guessing the rule is different and he got them mixed up.

No, play was stopped because the shot clock was not started properly after the ensuing throw in. The stoppage had nothing to do with the game clock.

socalreff Mon Mar 17, 2008 06:05pm

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Originally Posted by Dan_ref
If there's 1:00 or more on the clock it keeps running, regardless of how long the throw-in takes.

59.9 or less it stops when the ball goes through.

Wow!! Not a true statement. And a lot of people agreed with you Dan. If the throw-in takes 5 seconds or longer, the clock should stop on the whistle. :D

Dan_ref Mon Mar 17, 2008 06:12pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
Wow!! Not a true statement. And a lot of people agreed with you Dan. If the throw-in takes 5 seconds or longer, the clock should stop on the whistle. :D

Heh.

Cute.

Scrapper1 Mon Mar 17, 2008 06:30pm

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Originally Posted by All_Heart
Does anyone know what the NBA rule is regarding this? Jordan used to work in the NBA so I'm guessing the rule is different and he got them mixed up.

The NBA rule is (or was a few years ago) that the clock is stopped anytime the ball is not actually in play during the last minute of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd quarters; or during the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter or any overtime period.

So in the original play in question, if the basket was scored with 1:02 showing and the throw-in had not been completed before 1:00 (assuming 1st, 2nd or 3rd quarter), the timer would stop the clock at 1:00 until the throw-in was completed.

Camron Rust Mon Mar 17, 2008 07:07pm

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Originally Posted by socalreff
Wow!! Not a true statement. And a lot of people agreed with you Dan. If the throw-in takes 5 seconds or longer, the clock should stop on the whistle. :D

Nice try...but wrong....no matter how long the throwin takes is correct.

The throw-in doesn't end until it is touched on the court. The 5 second limit is only to release the ball for a throwin. The ball, after being thrown, could bounce in the court indefinitely with no player touching it...the clock would run and the throwin hasn't ended.

:D :D

Back In The Saddle Mon Mar 17, 2008 07:19pm

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Originally Posted by Camron Rust
Nice try...but wrong....no matter how long the throwin takes is correct.

The throw-in doesn't end until it is touched on the court. The 5 second limit is only to release the ball for a throwin. The ball, after being thrown, could bounce in the court indefinitely with no player touching it...the clock would run and the throwin hasn't ended.

:D :D

Nor can a 10 second count begin until it's controlled. So in theory it could bounce around until the clock ran out.

But would the shot clock expire first? Or does that not reset until it's touched on the floor?

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 17, 2008 07:48pm

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
The NBA rule is (or was a few years ago) that the clock is stopped anytime the ball is not actually in play during the last minute of the 1st, 2nd, or 3rd quarters; or during the last 2 minutes of the 4th quarter or any overtime period.

The NBA has rules!?!?! When did this happen? :confused:

BillyMac Mon Mar 17, 2008 09:08pm

Stupid Question ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Nor can a 10 second count begin until it's controlled. So in theory it could bounce around until the clock ran out.

Unless it was after a dead ball, time out situation, like after a violation. In theory, the ball could bounce around forever. Time hasn't been chopped in. Ten second count hasn't started.

This was actually a question on an IAABO Refresher Exam many years ago. Stupidest question ever written. I've spent a lot of time looking for the actual question in my archives, but haven't been successful. Can any veteran IAABO members help me out on this.

Jurassic Referee Tue Mar 18, 2008 04:14am

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Originally Posted by BillyMac
This was actually a question on an IAABO Refresher Exam many years ago. Stupidest question ever written.

Actually it tied for first as the stoopidest IAABO question ever with 12,365 other questions.

Nevadaref Tue Mar 18, 2008 05:23am

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Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle
Nor can a 10 second count begin until it's controlled. So in theory it could bounce around until the clock ran out.

But would the shot clock expire first? Or does that not reset until it's touched on the floor?

The shot clock doesn't start until the ball touches or is touched by a player inbounds.

Monty Python Tue Mar 18, 2008 02:10pm

The shot clock starts on a touch; It should be reset on the made basket

Scrapper1 Wed Mar 19, 2008 07:24am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
BTW, I've actually had D-I refs blow the whistle to tell me to stop the clock in situations like this. I usually do, then try to talk to them after the game if possible.

I hope that they at least didn't allow any subs in after he blew the whistle to incorrectly tell you to stop the clock. :)

Mark Dexter Wed Mar 19, 2008 09:44am

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Originally Posted by Scrapper1
I hope that they at least didn't allow any subs in after he blew the whistle to incorrectly tell you to stop the clock. :)

Thankfully there were no subs at the table. Otherwise, we may have had about a 3-minute discussion on national TV.

JugglingReferee Wed Mar 19, 2008 09:48am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
Thankfully there were no subs at the table. Otherwise, we may have had about a 3-minute discussion on national TV.

A perfect time for commercials! I agree that long delays on national TV are not good.


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