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rainmaker Sun Mar 23, 2008 02:49pm

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Originally Posted by GarthB
Besides, sitting around in a bar all day costs more than cable.

Depends. Can't get cable for just one month. SO I have to figure 6 months worth of cable into the calculation

Sitting at an empty bar nursing one beer and a basket of fries for two hours is only about $6. And if it's not busy, the staff don't care if I sit through another game for nothing.

rainmaker Sun Mar 23, 2008 02:50pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Did you notice that four of the five starters today for San Diego were named Johnson, Johnson, Jackson and Jones? This team gets the tournament trophy for being the most generic. :)

They've got a guy on the bench named Johnson, too. In Friday's game, the announcer said, "If you can't get it to Johnson or Johnson, you have to settle for Johnson!"

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 23, 2008 02:54pm

Guys, since we're on the subject, let me quickly explain to you why bookies don't care who wins. This was explained to me when I was just a wee lad by my grandfather, who at one time worked for Al Capone in the gambling "bidness" back in Chicago (and no - I am not making that up, he really did - and then he moved to Tahoe then Vegas to finish out his career). The bookies set the point spread based on what spread they think will get an equal amount of money bet on each team. As the money comes in, if it is heavy on one team, they will move the spread to encourage more to be bet on the other team. When you place a bet with a real bookie, you in effect pay a service charge. That's why they want to eliminate their risk by having an equal amount bet on each team - they make their money on the service charge (sometimes inaccurately referred to as the "vig" - that's something else entirely). If, during the betting process, they have a surplus bet on one team, they will lay off a lot of that with other bookies to get themselves back into a "balanced" position.

So the next time there is a major upset and you hear someone say that the bookies took it in the shorts, you can just laugh because you know it's not true.

26 Year Gap Sun Mar 23, 2008 03:09pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Did you notice that four of the five starters today for San Diego were named Johnson, Johnson, Jackson and Jones? This team gets the tournament trophy for being the most generic. :)

who's the wise guy?

GarthB Sun Mar 23, 2008 03:23pm

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
Depends. Can't get cable for just one month. SO I have to figure 6 months worth of cable into the calculation

Sitting at an empty bar nursing one beer and a basket of fries for two hours is only about $6. And if it's not busy, the staff don't care if I sit through another game for nothing.

I forgot. I'm used to airports. $6 buys a beer. Add fries and a tip and you're up $15. Do that twice a month and you've almost paid for basic cable, at least at Spokane rates.

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 23, 2008 03:35pm

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Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap
who's the wise guy?

Here's four o' dem.

http://z.about.com/d/tvdramas/1/0/k/7/thesopranos4.jpg

canuckrefguy Sun Mar 23, 2008 10:50pm

So ESPN columnist Gene Wojciechowski is calling Stanford coach's ejection "ticky tack".

He still says Johnson was dumb - but not for walking out to the middle of the floor to be an idiot....but for talking to an official who has "a reputation as having a short fuse and a quick whistle."

What a moron.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...4&sportCat=ncb

Mark Padgett Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:00pm

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Originally Posted by canuckrefguy
Wojciechowski

I think there's a shot you can take for that. :p

JugglingReferee Sun Mar 23, 2008 11:10pm

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Guys, since we're on the subject, let me quickly explain to you why bookies don't care who wins. This was explained to me when I was just a wee lad by my grandfather, who at one time worked for Al Capone in the gambling "bidness" back in Chicago (and no - I am not making that up, he really did - and then he moved to Tahoe then Vegas to finish out his career). The bookies set the point spread based on what spread they think will get an equal amount of money bet on each team. As the money comes in, if it is heavy on one team, they will move the spread to encourage more to be bet on the other team. When you place a bet with a real bookie, you in effect pay a service charge. That's why they want to eliminate their risk by having an equal amount bet on each team - they make their money on the service charge (sometimes inaccurately referred to as the "vig" - that's something else entirely). If, during the betting process, they have a surplus bet on one team, they will lay off a lot of that with other bookies to get themselves back into a "balanced" position.

So the next time there is a major upset and you hear someone say that the bookies took it in the shorts, you can just laugh because you know it's not true.

So in summary: the house always win, right?

Raymond Mon Mar 24, 2008 09:42am

Wow!!! Even in the NCAA tourney it happens...
 
NORFOLK - Of all the ways Old Dominion had messed things up in its string of five straight one-and-dones from the NCAA tournament, this one was bound for infamy. Because freshman Jasmine Parker's name was left off the official scorebook, the Lady Monarchs were assessed a technical foul before tipoff.

Mark Dexter Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:13am

This one had me wondering - in NFHS, we'd only assess the T when (and if) the sub came into the game and we added them to the scorebook then. I looked through the NCAA rulebook, and thought it was a bit vague on this regard. Is there an actual requirement that everyone be listed at the beginning of the game?

Raymond Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:21am

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Originally Posted by Mark Dexter
This one had me wondering - in NFHS, we'd only assess the T when (and if) the sub came into the game and we added them to the scorebook then. I looked through the NCAA rulebook, and thought it was a bit vague on this regard. Is there an actual requirement that everyone be listed at the beginning of the game?

Mark, in NFHS we don't 'T' immediately when the name is added?

Mark Dexter Mon Mar 24, 2008 10:30am

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Originally Posted by BadNewsRef
Mark, in NFHS we don't 'T' immediately when the name is added?

We do, but the team has the option of not adding the person's name to the book. If it's some JV player who never gets into the varsity game, the team might be better off leaving them out of the book and not getting the T.

Mark Padgett Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:24am

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Originally Posted by JugglingReferee
So in summary: the house always win, right?

That's why bookies have been around for thousands of years. I remember placing bets on the Roman chariot races.

Damn that Ben-Hur. I dropped a bundle on him. :mad:

Jurassic Referee Mon Mar 24, 2008 11:48am

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Originally Posted by Mark Padgett
Damn that <font color = red>Ben-Hur</font>. I dropped a bundle on <font color = red>him</font>.

If Ben-Hur was a male, his name would be Ben-Him.

Silly (sexist) monkey!


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