A player's shoe comes off during a live ball

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by TonyT

Just wondering. If you are a big time ref then why are you reffing these 5th and 6th grade girls games and rec games?

WOW!

Me, I worked Over-40 Men's Rec League games last night.

I call a foul on a veteran rec-league guy who's an asst. coach for a BV team I ref regularly.

He asks me what he did. I said "you fouled him". He asks "how?" I said "with your right hand."

Then he says to "call the game right. This isn't about you"

Yeah, 7:00 games on a Sunday night for $18 is really an ego boost for me.

[Adam]

Sounds like a T to me.

[Back In The Saddle]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

WOW!

Me, I worked over 40 Men's Rec League games last night.

WOW! is right. My limit is 20 in a season. I can't imagine working 40+ in one night!

[Raymond]

Originally Posted by Back In The Saddle

WOW! is right. My limit is 20 in a season. I can't imagine working 40+ in one night!

Nice try BITS, but I noticed your little editing job on my quote.

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Sounds like a T to me.

Not in this situation. We were side-by-side during the free throws. I made sure I got the last word in.

[TonyT]

My reply was a joke just like the whistle show. ( which I thought was funny by the way) Mark I don't know you but have a lot of respect for all you do, as I respect everyone who blows the whistle. I asked a honest question about a play I saw and then I am getting made fun of for a wrong word ( i will double check my posts from now on) I really enjoy this forum and reading about all of the different things that happen during a game. Now again I apologize so can we move on to what this is intended for?

[Adam]

Nicely put, TonyT.

BTW, you're not the first one to misspell a word and catch hell for it.

I'll add that I think your OP was correct. Shouldn't blow the whistle for that, but once it's done, it's done.

[socalreff]

Originally Posted by BadNewsRef

WOW!

Me, I worked Over-40 Men's Rec League games last night.

I call a foul on a veteran rec-league guy who's an asst. coach for a BV team I ref regularly.

He asks me what he did. I said "you fouled him". He asks "how?" I said "with your right hand."

Then he says to "call the game right. This isn't about you"

Yeah, 7:00 games on a Sunday night for $18 is really an ego boost for me.

You guys need a pay raise.

[fullor30]

Originally Posted by TonyT

Saw this in a game Sat. Team A has the ball and is driving for the basket and a player on team B looses his shoe, one of the officials blows his whistle and stops play, the shot goes in. OH BOY!!!! The officials have a conference and decide to give the ball back to Team A and basket doesn't count. First I don't believe the whistle should of been blown to start with ( I believe the other 2 officials knew this) But after this happened I think they did the only they could and that was give the ball back to Team A and resume play. Have any of you had this happen to you? (The shot came just after the whistle, so you can't count the basket)

"And one" , shoe that is..........

[RCBSports]

Originally Posted by TonyT

Saw this in a game Sat. Team A has the ball and is driving for the basket and a player on team B looses his shoe, one of the officials blows his whistle and stops play, the shot goes in. OH BOY!!!! The officials have a conference and decide to give the ball back to Team A and basket doesn't count. First I don't believe the whistle should of been blown to start with ( I believe the other 2 officials knew this) But after this happened I think they did the only they could and that was give the ball back to Team A and resume play. Have any of you had this happen to you? (The shot came just after the whistle, so you can't count the basket)

This too happened during a State Tourney game, but they didn't blow the ball dead. Which I am wondering, what is the ruling? If I am not mistaking, you continue play. If the basketball goes in, call a Official Time and allow the player to put the shoe back on? I will have to look this one up later on.

-Lucas

[Adam]

At the varsity level, let the player take responsibility and put his own shoe back on. I wouldn't blow it dead for this, even after a made basket.

[Dan_ref]

Originally Posted by RCBSports

This too happened during a State Tourney game, but they didn't blow the ball dead. Which I am wondering, what is the ruling? If I am not mistaking, you continue play. If the basketball goes in, call a Official Time and allow the player to put the shoe back on? I will have to look this one up later on.

-Lucas

There's no such thing as 'official's time' (except for at the bar after the game ) so you can't do this.

You can blow the ball dead if there's a player safety issue but generally not while the team with the ball is attacking the basket. I've never considered an untied shoe or a missing shoe to be a safety issue. Strictly speaking this applies to seriously injured or unconscious players at the higher levels, more judgement required as the player's age and level of competition goes down.

[ace]

I wouldn't blow the whistle for this once you get to HS level. My rational: "This aint the Y or Jr. NBA Leagues anymore"

Infact in a freshman game I worked a few years ago a player lost shoe and was looking at me like "you going to blow this whistle?" I didn't pay any attention to him, and kept going. The play was over and his coach was yellin at him for not being down there. The player fired back" well the referee didn't blow the whistle when I lost my shoe." The coach looked like he was going to explode.
"WELL DUH! This is HIGH SCHOOL BASKETBALL, NOT THE Y!" so ever since then I've applied that line of thinking.

[Adam]

Let them lose out on defense a couple of times, and they'll learn how to tie their shoes.

[26 Year Gap]

Originally Posted by Snaqwells

Let them lose out on defense a couple of times, and they'll learn how to tie their shoes.

And if they'd learn to use double knots, their opponents wouldn't be able to disable them while lining up for FTs.

[BillyMac]

Originally Posted by 26 Year Gap

And if they'd learn to use double knots, their opponents wouldn't be able to disable them while lining up for FTs.

Didn't the great John Wooden show his players how to tie their shoes at their first practice? Seriously. Or is this one of those myths?