UK GA - Goaltended FT

[Larks]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qv2Jf97_q6c

[Larks]

I just noticed - Billy Gillispie told him to do it.

[BillyMac]

Rookie NFHS officials: Take note. Although it isn't directly relevant to this situation, please remember that during a free throw, the ball doesn't have to be on its downward flight, entirely above the basket ring level, with the possibility of entering the basket, for goaltending to occur. During a free throw, the ball simply has to be touched by an opponent of the free thrower while it's outside the cylinder; count the one point, technical foul.

4-22-1: Goaltending occurs when a player touches the ball during a field-goal try or tap while it is in its downward flight entirely above the basket ring level and has the possibility of entering the basket in flight, or an opponent of the free thrower touches the ball outside the cylinder during a free-throw attempt.

NCAA Rule: ???

[JS 20]

Not trying to hijack the thread, but did anyone see the play before this happened where KY was running the endline, KY player sets a screen on the guy defending the ball, good amount of contact but no foul? I didn't think it was a foul b/c I think he flopped in a designed play and there was no way the refs were calling THAT foul in THAT situation. My fellow UK fans disagreed with me

[Indianaref]

Originally Posted by JS 20

Not trying to hijack the thread, but did anyone see the play before this happened where KY was running the endline, KY player sets a screen on the guy defending the ball, good amount of contact but no foul? I didn't think it was a foul b/c I think he flopped in a designed play and there was no way the refs were calling THAT foul in THAT situation. My fellow UK fans disagreed with me

It's being discussed on another thread. Never thought I'd see it...
Maybe someone will come up with video of it.

[Mike51]

Why was this a technical foul and not just goaltending?

[jdw3018]

Originally Posted by Mike51

Why was this a technical foul and not just goaltending?

There is a specific rule that GT a FT is a TF.

[Scrapper1]

Originally Posted by jdw3018

GT a FT is a TF.

Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT, 'cause if it leaks to the VC, he could end up an MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP.

[cdoug]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Seeing as how the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT, 'cause if it leaks to the VC, he could end up an MIA, and then we'd all be put on KP.

LOL

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Mike51

Why was this a technical foul and not just goaltending?

It's both by rule.

[Mike51]

NCAA and/or NF Let me understand this. A free throw hits the rim and bounces straight up. The players battle for the rebound and the ball hits the rim again when opponent of the free thrower hits the ball as it is above the cylinder. This is GT and a technical??? Doesn't sound right, but i am just learning.

[Scrapper1]

Mike, that would NOT be goaltending. To understand this, you have to understand the difference between goaltanding and basket interference.

In order to have GT, there must be a try for goal. For BI, it doesn't matter how the ball gets on the rim or in the cylinder. Could be a pass or a deflection. But for GT, it must be a try.

Goaltending:

1. Must be a try.
2. Must be on the way down.
3. Must be completely outside the cylinder.
4. Must be completely above the rim.
5. Must have a chance to go in.

Basket Interference:

1. Can't touch the ball if it's in the cylinder.
2. Can't touch the basket or ball if it's on or in the basket.
3. Can't touch the ball (even outside the cylinder) after reaching through the basket.
4. If rim is moved, it can't contact the ball before returning to its original position.

So in your situation, it would not be GT, because it is not outside the cylinder. It's basket interference, because of #1 -- touching a live ball in the imaginary cylinder.

By rule, GT a free throw in a technical foul; but committing basket interference during a free throw is NOT a technical foul.

Why?

Because it's possible to commit basket interference during a free throw, while making a legitimate basketball play. Just like in the situation you describe. But it's not possible to commit goaltending during a free throw, except by doing it on purpose (and in HS, by committing a lane violation first), which is considered unsportsmanlike.

Hope that helps.

[Jurassic Referee]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

In order to have GT, there must be a try for goal.

Goaltending:

1. Must be a try.
2. Must be on the way down.
3. Must be completely outside the cylinder.
4. Must be completely above the rim.
5. Must have a chance to go in.

#2--except on a free throw. It's also goaltending if a defender touches it on the way up during a free throw. It's goaltending if it's touched at any time outside the cylinder.

Scrappy knew that. Others might not.

[blwall1416]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Basket Interference:

1. Can't touch the ball if it's in the cylinder.
2. Can't touch the basket or ball if it's on or in the basket.
3. Can't touch the ball (even outside the cylinder) after reaching through the basket.
4. If rim is moved, it can't contact the ball before returning to its original position.

What about the situation that happened during the VT/UNC game. Spot throw-in on the sideline. Inbounder throws a lob that is caught & dunked. Looking at the replay, it looks as though the ball is in the cylinder when the player touches it & dunks. Is this legal or is this basket interference? I think it is legal as there is no shot attempt by the inbounder. Thoughts...?

[vbzebra]

Originally Posted by Scrapper1

Mike, that would NOT be goaltending. To understand this, you have to understand the difference between goaltanding and basket interference.

In order to have GT, there must be a try for goal. For BI, it doesn't matter how the ball gets on the rim or in the cylinder. Could be a pass or a deflection. But for GT, it must be a try.

Goaltending:

1. Must be a try.
2. Must be on the way down.
3. Must be completely outside the cylinder.
4. Must be completely above the rim.
5. Must have a chance to go in.

Basket Interference:

1. Can't touch the ball if it's in the cylinder.
2. Can't touch the basket or ball if it's on or in the basket.
3. Can't touch the ball (even outside the cylinder) after reaching through the basket.
4. If rim is moved, it can't contact the ball before returning to its original position.

So in your situation, it would not be GT, because it is not outside the cylinder. It's basket interference, because of #1 -- touching a live ball in the imaginary cylinder.

By rule, GT a free throw in a technical foul; but committing basket interference during a free throw is NOT a technical foul.

Why?

Because it's possible to commit basket interference during a free throw, while making a legitimate basketball play. Just like in the situation you describe. But it's not possible to commit goaltending during a free throw, except by doing it on purpose (and in HS, by committing a lane violation first), which is considered unsportsmanlike.

Hope that helps.

As one who just finished his rookie officiating year, I loved this particular breakdown. Very descriptive and helpful. Would it be accurate to say that goaltending is "deliberate" and basket interferrence is "accidental"?