Calling all refs, please help a fan out on a terrible T called
 

ETSU vs. Belmont in the Atlantic Sun Conference tournament semi-finals. ETSU up by 1 with time running down. You can watch the play and call unfold here:

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Would love to hear from the referees out there. You can tell by my name how I fell about it. So what do you think? Thanks.

You want help? Sure. It's over. Move on with your life. Hope that helps.

You want to talk about the call? Solid T. Kid brought his elbow up, and swung near the opponent's head WHILE trash-talking. He's lucky Doug didn't toss him. I've met Doug Sirmons at camp, he's solid.

Swung the elbow. Also said something. It got an immediate T. Looks like a great call to me.

Now, go home, fan boy.

Bet he will not do it again

"You certainly must agree that it was a great call--even in Black & White!"
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even the tv guy supported the T. It seems Belmont is always in

So you're upset because at the end of the game, your team missed the front end of a one-and-one and then shot an air ball on a three pointer? BTW - how many layups and free throws did the referees miss?

I think that no matter what you hear from the referees here, you're still going to think that your team got screwed.

Yea it looks like white 20 just wanted to foul and stop the clock (nothing international). Swader over-reacted and swung his elbow. #20 immediately walked away without saying a word.

His team got screwed?

Aint that a cryin' shame... but look at the bright side.

At least he aint Eliot Spitzer!

He's got lots of 'splainin' to do.

Why?:confused:

Spitzer got screwed too. <font size = -6>(film at 11)</font>

BTW - what's "Atlantic Sun"? Sounds like a casino.

2 words....expense account.

And if that don't fly, just gotta work a l'il harder on the ol' fund raising circuit.

She probably didn't even vote for him.

Appropriate technical foul. The kid threw an elbow and then trash-talked. Could have easily led to a fight. Do you need someone to blame? Blame the player for being an idiot and blame the coach for not having more control of his players.

You're kidding, right?

Throwing the elbow is a technical foul. Had he connected with the elbow, I would certainly have ejected him.

Mouthing off to the opponent is a technical foul.

Both, an very, very easy technical foul.

Instead of blaming the official, you should be upset with your idiot player for helping your team lose the game.

For $5k I hope she at least pulled his lever.

nyuk nyuk nyuk

Ball handler swung his elbow. Good call.

I think it was a justified call. Either way it goes a player has to keep their cool. He was being fouled near the end of the game. And the player had a chance to redeem himself and missed the FT. The bottom line, blame the kid for his actions, not the officials.

Peace

$4300? There's got to be a MasterCard commercial in there somewhere.

I saw the subject line and got excited. Now it would just be piling on, though. I won't watch the clip, I'll just wait for the book.

(If you've made it this far in the responses,) You won't find an official on here worth anything that says this should not have been a technical foul. That's because, as plenty have stated (BktBallRef's points, in particular, outline the most basic and accurate details), it is and should be a technical foul by NFHS and NCAA standards.

It's hard....
 

... to enter the booth and pull the lever for your candidate!

I will give the OP partial credit for at least being open and honest in what he's looking for. :D

And for the record, OP, I agree. It was a terrible T. It's absolutely, inexcusably horrible how your man robbed your team with his inability to control his emotions during a critical part of the game. Fortunately for him, the other kid walked away. Or your man may well have cost your team more than just a T.

Good job on the ref's part too to pick that up quickly and deal with it before it got any worse. Who knows what else your man might have cost your team if the ref hadn't called that T.

Edited to inject a dose of reality

You have to be 18 to vote.

Damn, I can't vote either. I'm older than 18.

I should know better to be really, really specific on this site..........:D

If you go to the NY state governor's website you'll find a link to an organization that will help you relieve some of that excitement.

For only $4300(train fare included).......

They only take cash, though.

The part that completely seals the deal is that the announcer actually got it right.....

Would you take a check from a NY Governor?:rolleyes:

Very easy, very good T. It never ceases to amaze me how the fans want to blame the officials when one of their players does something this dumb. The kid is lucky the official didn't eject him for fighting. The newspaper article says the player "momentarily lifted his elbow". Looked more to me like he aimed it at the other player's head.

Sorry, fan, you came to the wrong address if you were looking for sympathy on this one. The official got it right. If it had been your team that was behind, and an opponent threw an elbow at your player's head, you'd be screaming your lungs out if a T wasn't called.

Would you write a check as a NY Governor?

No, I'd put a couple of hookers on my staff and let the State pay their salaries.

Administrative aid, special secretary, layperson advisor, sumthin' like that.

And if you think that hasn't been done before......:rolleyes:

I might be younger than Dan, but I'm not naive.

For instance

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I think they're comparing notes on Hillary ca. 1996

Explains why neither are smiling.

No, they're watching a Larry Craig video. http://www.runemasterstudios.com/gra...ges/toetap.gif

Hey Jurassic,
I heard you're 118!:D

Notice the title of the thread says, "please help a fan out". I'd be glad to. Which way did he come in?

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Now for $100, have you stopped beating your wife?

For eleven hundred dollars you can beat someone who's not your wife.

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$4300 is, ahem, lowballing it a bit. . .

Now that's some kind of stimulus package!!

I'm just trying to imagine making and having the kind of money where my wife wouldn't wonder where the hell that $80,000 went.

That is exactly what I was thinking.

The guy's a multi-millionaire, Snaqs. That's pocket change to him. He can find that under the cushions of his couch.

If he wants to, he can phone up and say "Send me a blond <b>and</b> a redhead <b>and</b>....hell, send me the pu pu platter."

Wow, never expected this number of responses. Thanks, yes most of you make it clear it was a good call. I can accept that. But here is why I think it shouldn't have been called.

I was at this game, and for 39 mins and 40 seconds this was a game with no altercations what so ever and was well played by all on the court. The last 20-30 seconds was the most physical of the entire game. The helter skelter play in the moments leading up to the foul were the most physical of the night. After the foul, the ref should have immediately gotten in front of Swader and made it clear he was close to a technical. You can clearly see the Belmont player goes away from Swader but he does not go after him. I light of the situation, a warning should have been made to Swader. Whether he makes the foul shots or not, or Belmont goes on to win is irrelevant.

I look at it this way. It's like you are doing 40mph in a 25 mph zone and a police car going the other way comes over the hill. He flashes his headlights at you to let you know he knows you are speeding. But he does not turn around and stop you. Sure, you are technically breaking the law, but he is warning you to slow down. This same mindset should have been with this particular referee. Had Swader made contact and/or went after the player then case closed it has to be called a technical.

BTW, the announcer that agreed with the call was the color guy, Sonny Smith, who ironically used to be the head coach at ETSU. The play-by-play guy did not feel it was a good call. His name is Matt something (I think) and works for CSS and has no affiliation with ETSU that I know of.

Anyway that just my $0.02.

PS. Just a note about Swader for those that don't know of him. He hardly ever showed emotion in most of the games while at ETSU. And this incident is way out of character for him. I'm not saying that should have been taken into account (I mean how would the ref know that), I just don't want those last few seconds of his senior season for people to think this guy is a thug.

You swing an elbow and consideration for things like the score and time go out the window. Ask yourself this question:

Was that a basketball play? Its not the ref's fault that 2 lost his composure.

Had he connected, he was probably tossed.

On the other hand, the policeman turns on his lights, pulls you over, and writes you a large $$ ticket for violating the speed limit. He is absolutely correct, and you telling him "Why didn't you just flash your lights at me and then I would have slowed down" isn't going to get you very far with that policemean, is it?? He would just look at you and tell you not to break the speed limit anymore...just like the ref called the T, looked at the player and told him not to do that again.

And what, pray tell, gives you the qualification, credibility, and knowledge to say what the "ref should have" done?

FWIW, we don't care which announcers did or did not agree with the call. It was only mentioned because we were surprised the announcer (color guy) got it right.

If you don't like that there was a T called, take it up with the NCAA. The refs made the right call, and would have been reprimanded privately if they hadn't called it.

Not quite.

You come here to ask a bunch of referees if it's the right call. A whole bunch of referees tell you it's exactly the right call for that situation. But you don't think it should've been called. So why did you post the question?!?! Of course it should've been called. The kid swung an elbow near an opponent's head and made unsportsmanlike comments.

I had a coach tell me this postseason, "This game is too close for you to make that call". My response, "Coach, this game is too close for your player to lose control like that."

Same comment applies here, IMO.

BTW, I've never been given a warning for doing 40 in a 25. 15 over tends to get me a ticket. Therefore, I quite doing 40 in a 25. If all I'd gotten is warnings, I probably would have killed someone before I really learned how to drive appropriately.

I have given my take on it, and that's all I can do here.

Are you kidding?

Don't flatter yourself, 90% of them were about Eliot Spitzer and Miss I-da-ho. The rest said get over it, it was a good T.

So let's get back on topic... David Letterman's Top 10 mesages left on Eliot Spitzer's answering machine

10 Hey, what's new?

9 It's Barack Obama. Remember our conversation about being my running mate? Nevermind.

8 Ralph Nader here, glad to hear I'm not the only politician who has to pay for it

7 I'm calling from the 'New York Post.' Would you rather be known as 'Disgraced Gov Perv' or 'Humiliated Whore Fiend'?

6 This is John McCain, if it makes you feel better, I once got caught having sex with Lincoln's wife

5 It's Dr. Phil, call me if you need any horse**** advice

4 This is Senator Larry Craig. Do you ever go through the Minneapolis airport?

3 It's Wolf Blitzer. Call me if you ever want a hot Spitzer-Blitzer three-way

2 Paris Hilton here. I would have done it for free

1 It's Arnold Schwarzenegger. Thanks, I'm no longer America's creepiest governor

See ya.

Nobody is saying that he's a thug. Sadly, he's just typical of the ESPN/NBA generation. Gotta be macho...do a little posing, etc. Well, his immaturity ended up costing his team. He gets all the blame, not the official. All the official did was react to a blatant unsporting act that he had been instructed to call diligently.

If you feel like spreading the blame around, you might try throwing a little in the direction of the kid's head coach. Who else should have some responsibility as to how a player should react in situations like this? Certainly not the official.

Then I guess the thread is over.

Don't let the door hit you on the way out/