Another pet peeve
 

High level feeder tourney, two 8th grade great teams from long successful programs.

B1 strips ball from A1 by reaching across A1's body in best matador defense clearly fouling A1. Six feet from me, I see the whole play. Coach whines and moans and yells to his player "GREAT DEFENSE".

It wasn't..........too many times coaches miss a teaching opportunity by applauding an obviously sloppy defensive play just to give a ref a dig.

This kid was now praised by his coach, thinking he had played lock down D and I'm sure will repeat it.

Just me.......

Not to worry.

IF (that's a big if btw) he continues to move up GREAT DEFENSE will become DON'T REACH then WHY ARE YOU DOING THAT!!?? and finally a silent move to his left to get his sub to the table during the dead ball.

Just me....but I have cleanly stripped point guards many-a-time by "reaching across A1's body" and not making any contact at all with the ball-handler. If may have been a foul in your particular situation, but it doesn't make it sloppy defense.

BTW, what does "reaching across A1's body" mean?

U of Tenn vs Ga. Girls game yesterday - Tenn up by ~6 with 30 or so seconds left in the game. Easy win.

Tenn girl gets "overly aggressive" in the backcourt and fouls the Ga. guard in a bonehead move - cut to TV shot of Pat Summit, who as you read her lips says to the girl - "How could you do something that stupid?"

Ah, the other way to handle the situation.......

Disagree, anytime you reach whether it be clean or contact you are risking having a foul called. Defense 101 involves moving your feet, not reaching across dribbler's body.

Sure there are clean steals, but it's not how you teach defense.

Kinda like the difference between a bad pass and a dangerous pass.
Throwing a pass across the lane that gets stolen is a bad pass. Throwing a pass across the lane that doesn't get stolen is a dangerous pass.

:D

It's similar to when a kid smacks the shooter's arm and the coach yells, "GREAT BLOCK". :(

There's no risk if the reach is clean and the official is a good position to see between the ball-handler and the defender.

My feet are slow, but my hands are fast. Me attempting to beat a quick offensive player to a given spot often resulted in a blocking foul. But I was very successful in "taking someone's cookies" and for blocking shots from behind.

Don't agree at all. Any action that is NOT illegal is just fine.

If you are calling fouls simply because you don't like the way that the player attempts to play defense, then you are seriously in error.

REACHING is not a foul.

Ha...I was waiting for someone to comment on that. I put that in to reference the level of coaching which for the most part is is terrific.

High level..........feeder, kind of a contradiction in terms:o

Where did I say reaching was a foul?


Put down your whistle, and put on your coaching shirt if that's possible, I'm speaking from a coaching perspective.

If you are calling fouls simply because you don't like the way that the player attempts to play defense, then you are seriously in error.

Why in heaven's sake would you assume that?


This thread is not about what is or isn't a foul, if you can't comprehend the discourse, follow along and it will make sense you, I promise.

Use your imagination..........

Somebody gets it..........:D

Watch for Badnewsref to ask what "A bonehead move is ?"............:rolleyes:

My peeve is along those lines when the defender is sneaking up behind a breaking dribbler and instead of swiping with the motion of they are running with the inside hand, under dribbler's arm, they come in over the top of the arm and whack straight down and you get the GOOD D Johnny from the coach! :rolleyes:

Yeah, it was so good he just put your opponent in the bonus!

All of my coaches taught us to swipe up, not down, on these plays. Swiping down brought a greater risk of a phantom call, and was less effective. Every time one of us would swipe down and get called, the coach would give us hell, not the official who made the call.

In your first post you never stated that there was contact or that the kid hit the dribbler. You only mentioned reaching as if that was why you called a foul on the player.

Because you wrote this:

You failed to read the whole post "clearly fouling A1"

I can't make it any clearer, counselor. Operative word is clearly.

Don't be so silly.

Bonehead is worrying about the coaching principles being passed along to players then being bewildered when not everyone agrees with you. ;)

Putting it more clearly would be to actually say what he did to foul A1, not say he stripped the ball.

My first thought when I read the OP was did he call the foul for reaching?

So no it WAS NOT clear.

Not sure if you came over from officiating soccer or another sport recently, if so, I understand your frustration with comprehending the thread.:)

I'll agree with on it being your first thought.

Obviously that is one more than you have had.:rolleyes:

I don't know, Fullor, I had the same thought as well. In fact, you still haven't stated what he did to foul.

:) Nah, don't think I've posted anything in the Soccer forums. Mostly just watch my kids play and frown when parents start to berate the officials.

I mostly lurk around here to get a better understanding of "over-the-back" and "3-second" calls. But thanks for your concern!

No problems in that department. I never call phantom "reach across the body" fouls when point guards get the ball stolen. :cool:

That's because he can't...he called a reaching foul in the best Billy Packer style of officiating...he's just deflecting.;)

Geesh............... the whole point of the stoopid thread was a coach who likes to ride the official by complimenting his player for an obvious foul(take your pick) rather than use it for a teaching situation.

It doesn't matter what foul I called, again , that's not the point.

(Pssst, if you must know I called #28. Don't tell Badnews or Nevada, I'm having too much fun.)

Boy, you got the right moniker.

Pardon me, I was away perusing the Lacrosse forum. What did I miss?


Well look at that, 1,500 posts!!! That badminton forum sure has kept me busy.

Yep but you need to replace the r in yours with an f and change the 30 to a 4 letter word that starts with a s and ends with hit.

You see your point doesn't have any merit if the coach was right and it was great defense...seems you can't grasp the simple fact that based on what you wrote the coach very well could have been correct.

This would have made it even crystal Clear to me.

Ouch........... such malice. Bad day?

Would have saved alot of typing on my part.

Wow 1,500 posts! Coulda fooled me.

You're acting very troll-like in this thread. (not necessarily in the post I quoted -- it was just the last one in the thread)

You could be right bob considering he started posting last year in response to OJ Mayo getting suspended. Said Iazzo was flopping in the incident.

Just saying, ya' know. Not that that thread nor this one is indicative of his character or true motives. Might still just be upset about the Eric Gordon thing?

Sorta like the opening post, this is not very clear. Could you please elaborate so I don't miscontrue its meaning?

thank you.

Actually, my daughter goes to IU so I'm happy.

Sounds fair.