Pull this.

(that any better JR?)

This isn't what you said earlier. You said your count starts when the ball is available, and had nothing to do with your position relative to the end line. Just because you got down there quickly does not necessarily mean the other team can, too. As the trail/new-lead, we are already closer to the mid-court area than the team that had the ball stolen. As an official, we must keep up with the player that stole the ball to get the best possible view in case a violation occurs, so naturally we are closer to the end line than any player from the new throw-in team.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on the what it means for the ball to be at the disposal of a player/team, because I totally disagree with you on this. You're penalizing the new throw-in team for making a concerted effort to put the ball back in play in a timely fashion, which is nothing less than what they're supposed to do, and that goes against the principles we're supposed to adhere to as officials. There's no abuse of the rules here at all.

For all of the Ph.D's that are short a case of diet coke?

I heard a Ph.D. from MIT can drink a 45 minute coke in 30 minutes.

1. You either don't know what the rule is or you don't like it and elect to enforce it your own way.

2. As Trail I don't hang back near the division line. If you do, then you are out of position.

3. You missed my point about an official being able to run down the court quickly to be in position. I wasn't stating that instead of the disposal rule. I was refuting your statement that a team needs 3 seconds to get back there. Most 17 year-old players are faster than most officials. If an official can keep up with the scoring player, then so can a player from the defending team. By the time the ball passes through the basket and hits the floor, I'm at the end line in 99% of the cases. I'm certainly not giving the nonscoring team 2-3 extra seconds to cover the distance of half the court and inbound the ball. That's not necessary or correct BY RULE.

4. As I wrote before officials like you are the very reason that the NCAA adopted the stopping of the clock in the final minute. Teams were being allowed to unfairly run out the clock.

What no accompanying picture? :D

No! No picture for you today!

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Try it in base 1.876. I think that might work out...

If you insist.....

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1. I know what the rule is. We start our count when the ball is at the disposal of the team, and our disagreement comes as to how we define disposal. Unless I'm mistaken, NFHS rules do not spell out what disposal means, and that leaves it up to us officials to make our own interpretation. If I'm wrong, then please cite the rule # where this is defined.

2. I did not say that as the T we hang back near the division line. I merely said that we're closer to it than most players.

3. By rule, I think we're talking about the definition of "disposal" again.

4. "Officials like me"...well it's nice to know Ive got some influence at the collegiate level.

Subtle. I like it.

(he's certainly working hard to earn it this thread aint he... :rolleyes: )

Huh? The interp makes it very clear that even though the ball is available to the throwing team immediately after the made basket, it is not at their disposal even after B1 has "secure[d] the ball and [is] heading to the end line." Otherwise the time out would not be allowed.

So if, by official interpretation, the ball isn't at B's disposal even after B1 has "secure[d] the ball and [is] heading to the end line," why would the official have a count? This interp contradicts the point you seem to be making. Ergo, "if the ball is on the floor directly under the basket," the requirement has not, in fact, been met. :confused:

I saw a similar play Fri. in HS Tourney game
 

Team A was out of time outs and made a basket with 5.2 seconds left to trail by 2 points. A player on team A hit the ball when it went thru the basket it went high in the air and hit off the back wall. One of the refs blew his whistle and stopped play with 2.2 seconds left(the game is basically over because team B doesn't even have to throw the ball in play as time is going to run out) ( I think a delay of game technical should of been called or just let the clock run out) Now the fun begins because when team B throws the ball in play after the clock was stopped and threw it away on the sideline with no one touching the ball. Now team A gets the ball under their own basket with 2.2 seconds to go with a chance to tie or win the game. Team A throws the ball in and gets off a 3 point shot that misses and Team B escapes. If that 3 point shot had of went in I bet World War 3 would of started.