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TheViper Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:21pm

Flop -- Technical?
 
I'm new, witnessed a technical foul because a kid flopped when attempting to draw a charge. What's the rule on this?

rainmaker Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:34pm

So, I think what you're saying is that you're a new ref? And you were watching a game? And a player "flopped" and received a T?

It's certainly within the rules to give a technical for flopping. Different refs handle it different ways, but there's nothing wrong with giving a technical. Especially if a player's been warned once. It would help us decide if this is the best call if you gave a few more details.

BktBallRef Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:35pm

It's unsporting to fake being fouled. There used to be a case play on it but it's been removed. Seldom called, but possible.

deecee Wed Feb 20, 2008 11:56pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheViper
I'm new, witnessed a technical foul because a kid flopped when attempting to draw a charge. What's the rule on this?

The only charge being drawn is when i offer to buy my GF a pair of shoes -- that should be techincal

lpbreeze Thu Feb 21, 2008 01:37am

I don't mind a few flops here and there but I've seen one team in particular where they kept doing and I really wish a T had been called. Go to Europe, especially Portugal and play soccer sissies.

crazy voyager Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:10am

I acctually saw a yellow card being handed out in a soccer game yesterday for flopping;)
Falling to fake a foul (flopping) is a technical foul

grunewar Thu Feb 21, 2008 11:33am

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Originally Posted by rainmaker
.....but there's nothing wrong with giving a technical. Especially if a player's been warned once.

I coached, and then was an opposing coach for player (very small guard) who would charge down the lane and try to draw a foul and go to the line. He would fall over due to the air movement of the big boys....I warned him about his "dives." It was never called "a flop" or T and he rarely even got a foul called......he would just be spralwd on the floor with that look of :eek: on his face.

Funny, now he's a junior referee.....wonder how he'll handle it if he sees it? :)

Cajun Reff Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:14am

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheViper
I'm new, witnessed a technical foul because a kid flopped when attempting to draw a charge. What's the rule on this?

some kids in certain programs are known to try to draw a lot of charges so we always discuss in pregame good viewing angle/defender position/initiate contact/ result and the time to call a technical foul on a fake charge is when the defender falls BEFORE contact is made. If you have a good angle and consistently reff the defense it isnt really that hard of a call.

That being said, I would only call a technical if it is obviously being done to deceive the officials and not a kid bailing out because he is afraid to get hit.

Jurassic Referee Fri Feb 22, 2008 11:47am

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Originally Posted by Cajun Reff
some kids in certain programs are known to try to draw a lot of charges so we always discuss in pregame good viewing angle/defender position/initiate contact/ result and the <font color = red>time to call a technical foul on a fake charge is when the defender falls BEFORE contact is made</font>.

Wrong way to call the play, by rule.

If there is contact, you can't call a technical foul. It's legal for a defender to bail out and protect himself before the contact is made, as per rule 4-23-3(e). Any subsequent contact is then ruled a charge, block or a no call depending on the defender's LGP and the severity of the contact.

The technical foul is for <b>faking</b> being fouled...i.e. there is very, very minimal or <b>NO</b> contact. That's rule 10-3-7(f).

Not a bad idea either imo to maybe warn a player before whacking him.


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