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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 10:45am
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Hmm,

I just tried to answer the OP.

During my college career we crossed over after filling lanes so I think I understood what was asked.

Again, I have never seen it called and would not expect to see it called in games played by shaving aged players.

When I officiated it was explained quite clearly that the "leaving the court" rule was written so a player could not leave the court and "hide out" so that he could cherry pick.

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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 11:20am
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Nevada may be right, but only if he is also calling everything else "exactly" by the book. I'm not on the offensive, but do you call 3 seconds immediately when you reach the 3 count, or do you talk to the players and get them to clear the lane. If a player starting up court, completely unguarded is a little slow to release the ball for his dribble, do you call the travel?

In both of those cases, I'm not blowing the whistle. I may get to the 3 second call, and certainly with defense on the dribbler (or trying to be a dribbler) I make the call. But as described above, a quick whistle will also lead me to a quick demotion. It may be different in Nevada's neck of the woods, but where I live, those kinds of calls don't get called unless there is clear advantage.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 07:21pm
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Violation, Or Technical Foul

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When I officiated it was explained quite clearly that the "leaving the court" rule was written so a player could not leave the court and "hide out" so that he could cherry pick.
Are you sure that you're not confusing this situation with a technical foul for not returning to the court as soon as possible. This is where we see some "hiding out".

When I'm the lead, and I officiate the lead from a deep position, court allowing, and the players go around screens and almost run me over, that's when I start thinking about calling this violation. I was in this situaiton last season, was going to call a violation the next time it happened, but after a foul switch, my partner, without any communication from me, called it first. It took a minute or so to explain the call to a polite, but confused coach.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 11:07pm
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I have called this probably three or four times in my career. Did it once when it was a T because I was stupid enough to believe that because the NFHS made it a POE that it was the right thing for the game.

Since it's now just a violation, I will usually warn a player the first time to "stay on the court." Normally that's all it takes. After that, I'll call it. Just a violation. No big deal.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 05:07pm
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Have made it through the season without getting this question answered.

Team A brings ball down, and has a couple of players criss cross under the basket. Player A1 runs out of room and just runs out-of-bounds past the key.

Not forced out by the defense, not gaining an advantage, just not cognizant of the rule.

Do you make this call?

How about as you go down in age groups... say 7th grade or 5th grade.

Do you make this call?
Never called it. Never seen it called. I can't imagine either will change.
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Old Mon Feb 18, 2008, 11:50pm
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Have made it through the season without getting this question answered.

Team A brings ball down, and has a couple of players criss cross under the basket. Player A1 runs out of room and just runs out-of-bounds past the key.

Not forced out by the defense, not gaining an advantage, just not cognizant of the rule.

Do you make this call?

How about as you go down in age groups... say 7th grade or 5th grade.

Do you make this call?
As described....no. A1's intended path got cut off...even if it was by a teammate. A1 just reacted to the obstacle and the reaction resulting in going OOB.

I have called leaving the court exactly twice....both in deliberate actions that led to direct advantages.
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