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Big2Cat Thu Feb 14, 2008 03:51pm

Automatic T?
 
I worked a game last night....at halftime there was a crazy scramble for a loose ball...it got tied up after a mini-scrum, and then the buzzer went off. We went to halftime, and as we went to the center circle, one of my partners was talking to a girl on the other team--clearly he was not happy, but I didn't think much of it.

At the end of the game, it came back up, and when I asked him what the girl said, he told me she yelled "Call the F----- foul!" I was stunned. I would T this up ten times out of ten. I think some people are too worried about rankings, or moving up, or coaches, and don't stick to the basics...like sportsmanship, or decency.

**off soapbox**

Any thoughts?

tjones1 Thu Feb 14, 2008 03:58pm

One thought... WHACK!

IMO, it doesn't get any easier.

Ch1town Thu Feb 14, 2008 04:02pm

Coach: What was that for?

Official: She told me to call the f----- foul... so I did.

Big2Cat Thu Feb 14, 2008 04:06pm

Exactly. I am still in shock there was no T.

WhistlesAndStripes Thu Feb 14, 2008 04:24pm

Anytime someone says to call the f----- foul, the T is the f----- foul that I call.

rockyroad Thu Feb 14, 2008 04:27pm

Did your partner give you any valid reasons for NOT calling the T?? Seems like a pretty easy one to me, and not really anything the coach can say to defend the player...so I'm just wondering why your P didn't call it??

ILRef80 Thu Feb 14, 2008 05:01pm

Holy Crap. Absolutely give a T for that. People really need to understand that it's ok to give them out. Don't look for them, but if they cross the line and it gets personal or profane, it's almost irresponsible not to.

JMO.

Mark Padgett Thu Feb 14, 2008 05:37pm

If he doesn't think that deserves a T, then what does? :confused:

iowa_official Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:19am

I wacked a kid this year for saying sh@% and then another one for saying BS. There is no place for that from a kid to an official.

Ignats75 Fri Feb 15, 2008 10:51am

T???? That kind of display, if directed at either myself or one of my partners wouldn't just merit a T, it would be an automatic ejection (followed in Ohio by paperwork and a two game suspension for the player) for a flagerant foul.

There is no place for that kind of behavior on the court.

Then, in the locker room, I would really crawl all over my partner for being gutless.

Bearfanmike20 Fri Feb 15, 2008 11:03am

Yep... I go with the george carlin method..

the 5 words you cant say on tv... also apply to the basket ball court.. that goes for coach or player.

I did let a player off the hook for saying DAMN.. but thats because she was mad at herself.

I called the foul, and she looked and me and smiled and said "damn I knew it"

thats the worst language I've seen yet.

tjones1 Fri Feb 15, 2008 02:30pm

Off topic...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Yep... I go with the george carlin method..

the 5 words you cant say on tv... also apply to the basket ball court.. that goes for coach or player.

I did let a player off the hook for saying DAMN.. but thats because she was mad at herself.

I called the foul, and she looked and me and smiled and said "damn I knew it"

thats the worst language I've seen yet.

But didn't GC add two words to make it 7? ;)

Mark Padgett Fri Feb 15, 2008 03:23pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
thats the worst language I've seen yet.

So you were lip reading? :rolleyes:

Coltdoggs Fri Feb 15, 2008 03:34pm

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bearfanmike20
Yep... I go with the george carlin method..

the 5 words you cant say on tv... also apply to the basket ball court.. that goes for coach or player.

I did let a player off the hook for saying DAMN.. but thats because she was mad at herself.

I called the foul, and she looked and me and smiled and said "damn I knew it"

thats the worst language I've seen yet.

That's pretty funny considering back in the late 70's when Carlin came out with that list it was like 7 or 8 words, wasn't it! :p

Big2Cat Fri Feb 15, 2008 04:10pm

I was frustrated for sure, but did not crawl all over him. I probably should have made a bigger deal, but I had already made a big deal over a non-intentional foul could in the first half by my other partner.

Girl stole the ball, I became the new lead and took off to beat her, he called a foul. At halftime he asked if we saw it, I said no--he said after the girl stole the ball, the former dribbler then reached out and grabbed a handfull of shirt from behind.

Again, shocked he didn't call the intentional and kept asking why. He and the other guy both had seen it...and said she let go right away (as if that made it not intentional). Anyhow, I told him that was a textbook definition of an intentional foul and it should have been called.

Honestly, I think they were too afraid of the coach getting mad and I realized it just wasn't going to happen. Oh well. I can't change everybody.

However, I think most people in here would have called that intentional and also would have T'ed her up. I just like to ask from time to time to make sure I am not the crazy one.


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